Meltdown? Nothing could be further from the truth. I am amused by the level of misunderstanding that exists over this issue and just how easily it seems someone like Farage can bemuse other people.

When he, or you, are right I will start looking for the first straw.

As he isn't there is absolutely no need. Farage has conned you all. That Coutts shot themselves in the foot and gave Farage this wonderful opportunity to spread his propaganda is correct but doesn't alter anything to do with Farage.

Coutts were fully entitled to do what they did. That's a fact. Whether it was sensible, almost certainly not.

They are the only things to be right in this whole discourse.

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I've deliberately taken a direct quote out of context you say. Whats the context then? "Covid vaccine and other GENE therapies. Hardly "jumping all over the place. I'm quoting directly. My understanding is they had to admit it was for gene therapy. Otherwise they could not have been able to give the grant. I don't have any definitive proof for that. But it seems likely.

I'm fully aware the government have denied it's gene therapy.

So the "vaccine" delivers the gene into the cytoplasm to make a cell express a certain protein. Now it's true to say that it would need to go into the nucleus for it to be officially gene therapy. But still the gene is going into the cell from the jab.
Can we trust that it doesn't go elsewhere? Well I don't trust them. Neither does many vaccine experts.

However I don't trust big pharma or our government.
This is an experimental procedure. You can bang on about the technology being nothing new. But it has only been tested recently on humans - and it ain't going well

The Bayer guy admits it. It's not our of context. Again what is the context you have in mind?

You are the one here gaslighting people on a tremendous scale spreading falsehoods. But very few are buying it.

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Don’t worry, I will when they are relevant to the point being made.

Farage, Brexit, Trump, lies, disinformation and unpleasantness are all closely related.

To be fair and honest that Bayer Presidents speech is not the best example I could have used. So I will gracefully take that one back. Yes I think it's gene therapy. But I don't think he was admitting it here. On watching it again I can see that.

He inferred it was new technology. But we've already discussed that

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Fauci was telling us you could not pass on the virus if you were asymptomatic at the start of the "pandemic". Also that masks don't work. He then changed his mind on those two issues a few months later. We had similar gaslighting over here to.

For me the mandating of the "vaccines" has always been the bottom line issue for me. I don't want to tell or be aggressive to get people to not take them. However I have experienced that the other way around.

The information on whether the vaccines stopped you getting ill or whether you can transmit it still. Have been known for quite a while. How long I can't remember. I do know that many of the same mind as me knew about it. I guess we don't have crystal balls.

Informed consent wasn't given on these jabs. Yes I know it was under an emergency umbrella. However people do still need to take personal responsibility. Information was out there if you could have got to it before it was taken down

How did they convince so many intelligent people to take it? I'd Google the psychologist Mattias Desmet who talks eloquently about mass formation psychosis.

Governments are not going to just give up the truth to us. That's why conspiracy theories exist.

Russell is bit Johnny come lately on all of this. So to doctor John Campbell. Many lost their platforms speaking out during the pandemic when there was more to lose.