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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jul 22 10.54am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And another element of having a government that looks after its friends

Income from property, interest, dividends and other investment income – sometimes called unearned income, as most of it does not come directly from work – rose by more than 40% between 2010-11 and 2015-16, the most recent year for which HMRC figures are available.

However, the gains were massively concentrated among the top 10% of Britons, whose unearned income doubled from an average of £19,000 each to more than £38,000 – well above the average household income of around £25,000 in 2015-16.

You will of course know that no social charges are paid on unearned income, so Becky can’t excuse this.

And no, I am not envious. Neither am I jealous, that is the point. I have plenty but I am not fiercely protective of it, I would prefer everyone to have opportunities not the few.

Opportunities or positive discrimination for poor people. In this country everyone gets an opportunity to make a good life and choose a direction. If people haven’t got what it takes, motivation or just plain old willingness to graft and work from the bottom up then who’s fault is that. A lot of these rich that you lambast so much probably got there with this mantra and started with nothing. Why is that so bad?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 02 Jul 22 11.22am Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Opportunities or positive discrimination for poor people. In this country everyone gets an opportunity to make a good life and choose a direction. If people haven’t got what it takes, motivation or just plain old willingness to graft and work from the bottom up then who’s fault is that. A lot of these rich that you lambast so much probably got there with this mantra and started with nothing. Why is that so bad?

Because those with powerful friends weight everything in their favour to the detriment of everyone else. Self evidently. Even Chris Pincher has been defended on multiple occasions, the elite closes ranks. Blimey, open your eyes. It’s been getting so much worse.

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jul 22 12.23pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Because those with powerful friends weight everything in their favour to the detriment of everyone else. Self evidently. Even Chris Pincher has been defended on multiple occasions, the elite closes ranks. Blimey, open your eyes. It’s been getting so much worse.

But do you actually answer a question ?

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jul 22 12.23pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Opportunities or positive discrimination for poor people. In this country everyone gets an opportunity to make a good life and choose a direction. If people haven’t got what it takes, motivation or just plain old willingness to graft and work from the bottom up then who’s fault is that. A lot of these rich that you lambast so much probably got there with this mantra and started with nothing. Why is that so bad?


Quote I don’t care about how rich some are. Or how big the gap is etc etc. That doesn’t have any direct link to how poor others are unless you can find me one.


Money makes money. There is definitely massive 'positive discrimination' for the rich when it comes it opportunity, resources and networking. I get what you're saying but pulling up your bootstraps often only gets you so far, and it would be denial of reality to imagine that if hundred talented kids of poor people put in serious effort and determination compared to 100 average kids of rich that the former would somehow magically overtake the latter.

The likes of clueless Brooklyn Beckham aren't popping open £4000 bottles of wine or hosting TV cooking shows despite a lack of cooking ability, due to immense talent. They're doing so due to massive inherent advantage from the off, and that's the same for many if not most in powerful positions like politicians and so on (often 'automatically' getting into Eton and where that can lead etc). I'm not saying that others can't make it, because sometimes they can and it pays to act with that in mind, but it is a rigged game and they are outliers within it. Wealth naturally becomes more and more acrued at the top (despite as much of the work and effort as ever being put in by the rest) and so it does pay to create more opportunities for people willing to put the work in as they certainly already exist for those who simply generationally lucked out regardless of ability or effort.

Edited by BlueJay (02 Jul 2022 2.13pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jul 22 2.13pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by BlueJay


Money makes money. There is definitely massive 'positive discrimination' for the rich when it comes it opportunity, resources and networking. I get what you're saying but pulling up your bootstraps often only gets you so far, and it would be denial of reality to imagine that if hundred talented kids of poor people put in serious effort and determination compared to 100 average kids of rich that the former would somehow magically overtake the latter.

The likes of Brooklyn Beckham aren't popping open £4000 bottles of plonk or hosting cooking shows despite a lack of cooking ability, due to immense talent. They're doing so due to massive inherent advantage from the off, and that's the same for many if not most in powerful positions like politicians and so on (often 'automatically' getting into Eton and where that can lead etc). I'm not saying that others can't make it, because sometimes they can and it pays to act with that in mind, but it is a rigged game against them and they are outliers within it if they do. Due to this dynamic, wealth just naturally becomes more and more acrued at the top (despite as much of the work and effort as ever being put in by the rest) and so it does pay to create more opportunities for people else evenually it ends in a point of farse.


Edited by BlueJay (02 Jul 2022 12.24pm)

Yea but his dad started from nothing so I doubt he’s had the leg up you believe.
Help yes and rightly so; we would all do it.
I know a very small amount will get to elite status but surely getting as high as you can towards it is the only justice to give yourself. Many of these elite also started with nothing but a few quid and an idea and big balls tbh.
They’re also being bashed for being successful.

 

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BlueJay Flag UK 02 Jul 22 2.32pm

Originally posted by cryrst

Yea but his dad started from nothing so I doubt he’s had the leg up you believe.
Help yes and rightly so; we would all do it.
I know a very small amount will get to elite status but surely getting as high as you can towards it is the only justice to give yourself. Many of these elite also started with nothing but a few quid and an idea and big balls tbh.
They’re also being bashed for being successful.

Certainly his dad succeeded due to his talent, theres no doubt about that. I'm mostly just commenting on what tends to happen over the generations as result, and how wealth then acrues more and more at the top. So I think it's important to provide and encourage opportunities for those who, as you rightly say, have the determination and effort to make something of themselves, because these opportunity naturally exist throughout the generations for the very wealthy regardless of their distance from the original effort or ability that may have elevated them in the first place.

 

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becky Flag over the moon 02 Jul 22 2.50pm Send a Private Message to becky Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add becky as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And another element of having a government that looks after its friends

Income from property, interest, dividends and other investment income – sometimes called unearned income, as most of it does not come directly from work – rose by more than 40% between 2010-11 and 2015-16, the most recent year for which HMRC figures are available.

However, the gains were massively concentrated among the top 10% of Britons, whose unearned income doubled from an average of £19,000 each to more than £38,000 – well above the average household income of around £25,000 in 2015-16.

You will of course know that no social charges are paid on unearned income, so Becky can’t excuse this.

And no, I am not envious. Neither am I jealous, that is the point. I have plenty but I am not fiercely protective of it, I would prefer everyone to have opportunities not the few.

Unearned income is still taxable last time I looked.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 02 Jul 22 3.17pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Unearned income is still taxable last time I looked.

Sometimes. But not at the same rate as earned income even then. As the man said, money begets money.

Very few people ever catch up with the monied classes who will use every means to make sure that is the case. Including making sure their mates run the country

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 02 Jul 22 3.45pm Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Sometimes. But not at the same rate as earned income even then. As the man said, money begets money.

Very few people ever catch up with the monied classes who will use every means to make sure that is the case. Including making sure their mates run the country

Are you honestly of the belief this only happens when the tories are in power.
Look into the PFI debacle under labour. Yes the tories bought it in but by god labour abused it to balance the books and make everyday accounts look good, and we are still paying a shed load over the top.
No labour ‘people’ on the end of that I guess…. NOT !

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Jul 22 4.51pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Well that is very decent of them. At least they pay their tax in the uk (sometimes). I am sure those whose real income is dropping massively will appreciate that. Even though it is they who reinforce the inflationary pressure that drives the pay reductions.

Perhaps you should speak to that massive socialist Gary Linekar about paying his tax

 

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Spiderman Flag Horsham 02 Jul 22 4.54pm Send a Private Message to Spiderman Add Spiderman as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

And another element of having a government that looks after its friends

Income from property, interest, dividends and other investment income – sometimes called unearned income, as most of it does not come directly from work – rose by more than 40% between 2010-11 and 2015-16, the most recent year for which HMRC figures are available.

However, the gains were massively concentrated among the top 10% of Britons, whose unearned income doubled from an average of £19,000 each to more than £38,000 – well above the average household income of around £25,000 in 2015-16.

You will of course know that no social charges are paid on unearned income, so Becky can’t excuse this.

And no, I am not envious. Neither am I jealous, that is the point. I have plenty but I am not fiercely protective of it, I would prefer everyone to have opportunities not the few.

Don’t all government look after their friends?

 

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 02 Jul 22 5.20pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Spiderman

Don’t all government look after their friends?

Decent people try to look after everyone.

The current Government gave up on decency well before they became the Government. They just don't care and are naked in their partisanship. Conservative MPs seem to think they can do what they want and are bullet proof as they get so much support from the old boys' club.

Even when their friends are caught bang to rights they try to back them up. It's not just the sleeze, it's the way they close ranks behind the wrong'uns.

Chris Pincher sexually assaulted two fellow guests at the Carlton Club, having previously resigned as a junior whip for making unwanted passes at a man but got BoJo's support initially

Imran Khan found guilty in April of sexually assaulting a 15-year-old boy but defended by Crispin Blunt

Neil Parish admitted to watching X-rated videos in the Commons chamber (he was looking for a Dominator tractor according to allies)

Rob Roberts had six-week suspension from the Commons last year for sexually harassing a member of staff

David Warburton had the Conservative whip withdrawn in April after allegations of sexual harassment and cocaine use emerged.

Unnamed Tory MP arrested over allegations of rape and sexual assault, abuse of position of trust, and misconduct in public office in May.

Andrew Griffiths found to have raped and abused his wife

Charlie Elphicke was handed a two year prison sentence in September 2020 for three counts of sexual assault against two women

Sir Michael Fallon repeatedly put his hand on journalist Julia Hartley Brewer's knee during a dinner in 2002 and lunged at Jane Merrick, another political journalist, in 2003.

Damian Green sacked from cabinet in 2017 after he was found to have made "inaccurate and misleading" statements about p***.graphy found on his office computer in 2008.

Does anyone begin to see a pattern?

 

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