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Eaglecoops CR3 30 Dec 20 6.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
Mate I'm not sure how qualified I am to answer your question. I can only recount my own experience as a player - unlike you I didn't Manage our coach at Senior/Adult level. As a player I was reasonable - but limited in terms of ability. I was quick, could tackle and could pass - you won't be surprised to hear I was a fullback. On that basis was encouraged just to concentrate on that - I always remember my dear old Dad when I was at junior level on the side-lines, hit him early let him know you are around..!! That was similar to my experience at Senior level - where there was limited coaching in terms of developing you as a player more concentration on making the most of attributes you already had. Where I can speak with more authority is development at Youth level. I was fortunate enough through my Sons to become heavily involved in the building and development of our local Football Club - where we took them from having no youth teams to having teams at every age group from U6 to U17's, at some age groups 2 teams. We became to be the "go to" team/Club in our area - trials in close season were a nightmare..!! The big difference that I noticed compared to my own experience as a junior was that all coaches needed to be/were qualified - unlike when I was younger it was just a Guy that liked/had played football and was prepared to give up his time to run a junior team for local kids. There was/is far more focus on developing core skills from a very young age, so not just working on where a player has natural attributes, but pro-actively working on and developing areas of weaknesses in a player. Prime example as much as the boys hated it, playing games where they could only use their weaker foot - at a young age this was highlighted by them having to wear different colour socks on each leg. They were/are encouraged to pass the ball from a very young age - whereas I was encouraged just to "put my foot through it". Result - for example my youngest son - now 22 can hit a dead ball equally well with both his right and left foot - rare as "Hens teeth"..!! Another thing was playing with their head up - if a player played a "blind pass" - game was stopped and player asked what they were trying to do and where they were trying to pass it. Other big thing is the introduction of 7 as side, 9 a side at younger age groups - they don't play 11 a side a side until they get to u13's. Consequently players get more time on the ball on smaller pitches, meaning they have to be able to control the ball, pass and have more awareness of making space etc.. Upshot total difference to when I played football as a junior - I remember when I was a junior at what 9/10 years of age - pitch was huge and it was just "kick and rush". All of this is why I get so exasperated when I see a performance like our first half performance against Leicester where we couldn't string 2 passes together - kids of 8/9 years of age are now able to do that. I also think that the St Georges park project has has had a huge impact - IMO it's no coincidence that we are seeing at England senior level so much exciting talent and excellent players coming through now 8 years after it's inception. So in summary and in answer to your question grass roots and youth football IMO is far more organised, facilities and coaching so much better - meaning that we are seeing so much more quality coming through. So the future looks bright. On Youth Football, kids and the coaches are great - it's the parents that can be a nightmare..!! COYP Excellent, good to hear.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Dec 20 10.56pm | |
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Originally posted by jeeagles
I won't turn this into a dig at Roy, but digressing. I'd be interested to know your opinion on the quality of coaching in football. I've been more involved in rugby , athletics, and boxing over the years. Other sports generally view football as pretty cumbersome inefficient in terms of resources and way behind the times. That's why the likes of John Harbin can come in, sort out a teams fitness and take them from the bottom to the top of the league. I think it's improved dramatically over the past 20 years. And I think the foreign imports have a lot to do with that They introduced the emphasis on the fitness side of things - the old ' drinking culture ' is now a thing of the past. Sports science is now employed everywhere at top level, and of course player stats provide the coaches with data on each individual. Actual on the field coaching - my opinion only - varies hugely from top clubs to clubs at the lower end of the Premier League. The likes of Palace and those around them rely heavily on organisation and team shape. If you look at the clubs at the lower end of the table, most of them struggle to score goals and are anxious to avoid giving the teams at the top end too much space to play in. The top clubs have access to the top players - and of course the top coaches. So more emphasis on the more technical aspects of the game in particular keeping possession of the ball. Harbin did a great job at Palace. I think in general Head Coaches are more open to different techniques than they were 15 years ago.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 30 Dec 20 11.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Plaistow Eagle
Mate I'm not sure how qualified I am to answer your question. I can only recount my own experience as a player - unlike you I didn't Manage our coach at Senior/Adult level. As a player I was reasonable - but limited in terms of ability. I was quick, could tackle and could pass - you won't be surprised to hear I was a fullback. On that basis was encouraged just to concentrate on that - I always remember my dear old Dad when I was at junior level on the side-lines, hit him early let him know you are around..!! That was similar to my experience at Senior level - where there was limited coaching in terms of developing you as a player more concentration on making the most of attributes you already had. Where I can speak with more authority is development at Youth level. I was fortunate enough through my Sons to become heavily involved in the building and development of our local Football Club - where we took them from having no youth teams to having teams at every age group from U6 to U17's, at some age groups 2 teams. We became to be the "go to" team/Club in our area - trials in close season were a nightmare..!! The big difference that I noticed compared to my own experience as a junior was that all coaches needed to be/were qualified - unlike when I was younger it was just a Guy that liked/had played football and was prepared to give up his time to run a junior team for local kids. There was/is far more focus on developing core skills from a very young age, so not just working on where a player has natural attributes, but pro-actively working on and developing areas of weaknesses in a player. Prime example as much as the boys hated it, playing games where they could only use their weaker foot - at a young age this was highlighted by them having to wear different colour socks on each leg. They were/are encouraged to pass the ball from a very young age - whereas I was encouraged just to "put my foot through it". Result - for example my youngest son - now 22 can hit a dead ball equally well with both his right and left foot - rare as "Hens teeth"..!! Another thing was playing with their head up - if a player played a "blind pass" - game was stopped and player asked what they were trying to do and where they were trying to pass it. Other big thing is the introduction of 7 as side, 9 a side at younger age groups - they don't play 11 a side a side until they get to u13's. Consequently players get more time on the ball on smaller pitches, meaning they have to be able to control the ball, pass and have more awareness of making space etc.. Upshot total difference to when I played football as a junior - I remember when I was a junior at what 9/10 years of age - pitch was huge and it was just "kick and rush". All of this is why I get so exasperated when I see a performance like our first half performance against Leicester where we couldn't string 2 passes together - kids of 8/9 years of age are now able to do that. I also think that the St Georges park project has has had a huge impact - IMO it's no coincidence that we are seeing at England senior level so much exciting talent and excellent players coming through now 8 years after it's inception. So in summary and in answer to your question grass roots and youth football IMO is far more organised, facilities and coaching so much better - meaning that we are seeing so much more quality coming through. So the future looks bright. On Youth Football, kids and the coaches are great - it's the parents that can be a nightmare..!! COYP Your experience of youth football pretty much mirrors mine. I also got involved with a local club when my son started playing at 5/6 years old. At the time I was playing and coaching in London, but what with commuting 5 days a week, it was becoming too much. So I started coaching the U7's and carried on right up until U18's. Somehow I also ended up as Chairman ! One of the first things I did was to insist that all the coaches got FA qualified, at least to the minimum level. I got sponsorship in to subsidise the cost of that. Up until that point all the coaching was being done by well meaning dads and it was all over the place. One of the most interesting thing was one of the dad's - who could barely kick a ball and had never played before in his life - ended up passing badges to the point that at the time his qualifications opened doors for him to coach a ( then ) Championship clubs youth team. But it was all text book theory, and when players found out he couldn't play, they wouldn't play for him ! So I agree, at grass roots level, coaching has certainly improved. And I can definitely relate to your comment about the parents !!
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Dec 20 8.43am | |
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Originally posted by Gary St.Andrews
Let Roy steer us through the rest of this disrupted season, then move for Dyche at Burnley in the Summer. This looks like the best fit and he would jump at the chance of coming back south....
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Tickled pink Cornwall 31 Dec 20 8.56am | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
For every Potter there’s a Brendan Rodgers or Ralph Hasenhuthll. How in your opinion would Mr Klopp perform with our players?
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Tickled pink Cornwall 31 Dec 20 9.01am | |
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Originally posted by doombear
I'd like to know how they are going to guarantee any sort of profit from their huge outlay, sounds a lot like the same crowd we have now.
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EddieMac 31 Dec 20 9.21am | |
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Chris Wilder was a genius last season to many, and lots of our fans would have taken him as manager. Eddie Howe is still wanted by many of our fans, even though he is a big reason they got relegated by constantly trying to play a type of football with the wrong players. Graham Potter has now found himself in another relegation battle and again lots of fans are jealous of their style of play. Klopp wouldn’t get our players playing like Liverpool in a month of Sunday’s, and the same for Pep. It takes them years and a lot of transfer windows to get the players they want to fit their system. Roy may not be getting the very best out of our squad at the moment but their has been lots of times in the last few years that his tactics have stopped us being dragged into relegation fights. People just need to look back at a lot of our team sheets over the last few years. Edited by EddieMac (31 Dec 2020 10.11am)
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PatrickA London 31 Dec 20 9.32am | |
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To the question how would Klopp fare at Palace one could equally ask how Hodgson would fare at Liverpool.
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Dec 20 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by Tickled pink
I'd like to know how they are going to guarantee any sort of profit from their huge outlay, sounds a lot like the same crowd we have now.
According to the Beeb's report: "ALK managing director Alan Pace has replaced Mike Garlick as chairman... 'This marks a new era for Burnley as we become stewards of this historic football club,' said Pace. The United States-based businessman said his aim was to "build on the impressive work" that Garlick and manager Sean Dyche have done to make Burnley a "financially stable, established Premier League club that is a cornerstone of the local community". Pace, 53, added: "With a rich heritage, a brilliant academy and a passionate fanbase, this club has solid foundations to build upon. This is the start of an exciting journey for the entire Clarets family." ALK has already stated its intention to help Dyche bolster his squad in next month's transfer window. ... "This investment represents a natural progression for Burnley," said Garlick, who took over as sole chairman in 2015 after Banaszkiewicz stepped down from their dual role. "In Alan Pace and his team, we are welcoming committed investors to Turf Moor who will be living here in the local community and investing in the club, both on and off the football pitch, for many years to come. "My tenure as chairman has always been about ensuring Burnley is a sustainable football club and this investment provides a long-term plan to maintain that philosophy, while driving evolution and innovation."
I don't see ours so-called investors living in the local community etc.
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taylors lovechild 31 Dec 20 10.12am | |
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In a dream world it would be an ideal time for wealthy investors to turn up and bank roll investment in the squad. It seems like half the team is out of contract in the summer so they could start laying plans for the future without being burdened with high wage earners like Sakho and Bentenke. Bring in a new manager with a plan and enough experience to implement it. Although Potter isn't getting the results at Brighton, the club itself is fully behind his ideology with teams in all age groups being encouraged to play football what they believe is "the right way". Although I have softened my stance on Roy, a 74-year-old manager is clearly not a long-term plan. The hard part is finding a manager who would not just be looking at us as a stepping stone, but who also has a longer term vision beyond simply securing safety each season.
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EddieMac 31 Dec 20 10.13am | |
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Originally posted by PatrickA
To the question how would Klopp fare at Palace one could equally ask how Hodgson would fare at Liverpool. Are you comparing the team Hodgson had at Liverpool to the one Klopp now has ?
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doombear Too far from Selhurst Park 31 Dec 20 10.28am | |
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Originally posted by EddieMac
Are you comparing the team Hodgson had at Liverpool to the one Klopp now has ?
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