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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.48pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by HKOwen

This is what you wrong Jan 16 in your usual high handed " I know better than you " manner to Badger 11


Originally posted by Badger11
Exactly it's a compulsory tax on all of us and hurts the the poor.

No it isn't. It's a licence fee.

Taxes are raised and SPENT by the government. The licence fee is spent by the BBC, independent of the government. That some of you don't like the output doesn't change that. Be careful what you wish for. One day you may have a left leaning government and be pleased that the BBC is independent of them.


Your supercilouos pomposity knows no bounds

Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

Edited by HKOwen (18 Jan 2022 9.20pm)

You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do?

The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee.

That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 18 Jan 22 10.53pm Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That just shows how incapable you are of seeing beyond your nose.

That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda.

I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts.

 


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Mapletree Flag Croydon 18 Jan 22 11.47pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

He's also on a salary of over 500K a year (The PM earns about 150K) & when he worked for PepsiCo his salary was around 250K a year.

Are you saying his salary has risen in the past 17 years? Crikey

Any other points you wish to make?

Edited by Mapletree (18 Jan 2022 11.47pm)

 

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cryrst Flag The garden of England 19 Jan 22 3.24am Send a Private Message to cryrst Add cryrst as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

You just love trawling through my posts nit-picking to try to find a little mud to throw. It's a real obsession. Don't you have anything useful to do?

The truth here is that I was responding to the suggestion that the licence fee equated to a tax, when it isn't. It's a ring-fenced fee.

That part of the BBC's revenue comes from taxation, via the government, to support the BBC World Service is certainly true, as it that it gets revenue from its commercial businesses.

Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago !

 

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The Dolphin Flag 19 Jan 22 7.28am Send a Private Message to The Dolphin Add The Dolphin as a friend

Wisbech.
I am not extreme right as you imply - more just right of centre with a social conscience.
To say that the Beeb is not left liberal is just simply untrue and a fantasy.
I am sure that the far left do think it is biased but the majority of sensible people know the truth.
Give me unbiased reporting and not biased opinion and I would support them.

Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am)

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 19 Jan 22 9.00am Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

That you don't shows how you are prone to believe conspiracy theories spread around by people with an agenda.

I think for myself and base my opinions on hard, observable facts.

The fact that you believe something does not make it true. You seem to have an ongoing problem distinguishing between fact and your opinion.

The idea that you think that when you brand something as a 'conspiracy theory' it therefore cannot be true, displays your never ending capacity for illogic.

 

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.36am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by cryrst

Hardly trawling ,it was 2 days ago !

As you can cast your trawl the moment you leave the harbour I fail to see your point. It doesn't mean it's necessarily historical, only that it's nit-picking, trying to find out of context phrases and then making snide remarks.


 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 9.44am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by The Dolphin

Wisbech.
I am not extreme right as you imply - more just right of centre with a social conscience.
To say that the Beeb is not left liberal is just simply untrue and a fantasy.
I am sure that the far left do think it is biased but the majority of sensible people know the truth.
Give me unbiased reporting and not biased opinion and I would support them.

Edited by The Dolphin (19 Jan 2022 7.29am)

Then we disagree. I don't believe it is "left-liberal" at all. I think it is socially responsible, fair and objective. I just watched Victoria Derbyshire give a Tory Councillor a very hard time over him calling for Johnson to consider his position, describing it as disloyal. This was followed by a piece about a former Brexit Party Parliamentary candidate threatening a Labour MP with violence in a tweet, being found guilty in Court.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 19 Jan 22 10.02am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The fact that you believe something does not make it true. You seem to have an ongoing problem distinguishing between fact and your opinion.

The idea that you think that when you brand something as a 'conspiracy theory' it therefore cannot be true, displays your never ending capacity for illogic.

I didn't say it was true. All I said was I base my opinions on facts and observation and I reach them myself.

Of course conspiracy theories CAN be true. I have yet to see one that is though. The point is that they are just theories, often very wild and improbable in character. They are not based on fact, but on someone's imagination. That though does stop people accepting them as fact, almost always because of their own bias and prejudice. They want them to be true. Just read Infowars and listen to those who believe it's nonsense to understand that.

The way that some people are completely convinced that the BBC has a left leaning bias is hard evidence of this, just as nothing will convince them they are wrong is evidence of their own bias and prejudice.

 


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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 19 Jan 22 10.14am Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Ask many years if ago and they’d be upset the BBC wasn’t going to be funded by the licence fee. Opinions have now changed, as will the BBC.

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 19 Jan 22 11.03am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

What does the BBC stand for today:

Whether the BBC is bias is a circular argument I think it is others don't. So leaving aside that issue what exactly does the BBC stand for.

Most of the BBC's output is now geared to rating and entertainment e.g. reality TV, soaps, drama and cheap TV (makeover of houses / gardens). All of this stuff is available on other channels or streams so why be forced to pay a licence fee for it.

The World Service does a good job but is funded by the government not the Licence so a tick for the Beeb but nothing to do with the Licence fee.

BBC News 24. A 24 hour a day news channel that nobody watches and costs 100ms of pounds. Should be scrapped.

BBC News a highly fragmented dysfunctional service . Multiple BBC crews from different parts of the organisation cover the same news story, ITV had the same issue decades ago and decided to create ITN which was a single organisation which the other parts of ITV and now even some non ITV companies pay. Regardless of bias it is a bloated inefficient service that employs 6000 people. They need to do an ITN.

Children's TV. I don't watch it but I assume the Beeb does a good job with the 2 channels.

National Radio. They are commercial radio channels in all but name nothing that other channels don't do so should be sold off.

Local radio. A joke as their is very little local about them, mainly DJ's doing talks shows about national events or playing music available on other stations. They have actually stifled competition as commercial local radio doesn't really exist because of this. As it is not really local the whole network should be scrapped people may miss their favourite host but they wont miss the local content.

Education. A massive failure of the BBC is to educate. I have said this before the BBC should have a dedicated education channel covering the cradle to the grave. Instead they have dumbed down and scrapped in the name of ratings.

Sport. The BBC should have a dedicated sports channel so when they do cover sports events which is rarely these days they can at least cover it properly, who can forget Playschool whilst Graham Good scored 300. They may not be able to afford football but other sports are available.

Arts. Another failure they should have a dedicated channel like Sky Arts.

Diversity. The BBC now spends hundreds of millions on diversity most of which seems to be on bureaucrats rather than programming.
Completely unnecessary red tape jobs for the boys or is that non gender specific. Diversity is the responsibility of HR and every manager not a separate department. Scrap the dedicated departments.

Diversity 2. In amongst all this largess for diversity one group is completely ignored the BBC's most loyal fan base, pensioners. The DG has even confirmed that the BBC does not have any specific programming for them, how stupid is that piss off your most loyal customers. Talking Pictures is a channel aimed at that group and has been incredibly successful the BBC should take note. They could for example turn BBC 2 from 6am to 6pm as the oldies channel, lets face it nobody watches BBC 2 during the daytime.

Summary
I admit I want the licence fee scrapped an other option would be to reduce it to about £50 and to focus on the stuff that commercial channels don't cover.

As for what the BBC stands for today its a bloated bureaucracy failing to meets its core customer base, I would think Lord Reith would be spinning in his grave.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 19 Jan 22 11.17am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

What does the BBC stand for today:

Whether the BBC is bias is a circular argument I think it is others don't. So leaving aside that issue what exactly does the BBC stand for.

Most of the BBC's output is now geared to rating and entertainment e.g. reality TV, soaps, drama and cheap TV (makeover of houses / gardens). All of this stuff is available on other channels or streams so why be forced to pay a licence fee for it.

The World Service does a good job but is funded by the government not the Licence so a tick for the Beeb but nothing to do with the Licence fee.

BBC News 24. A 24 hour a day news channel that nobody watches and costs 100ms of pounds. Should be scrapped.

BBC News a highly fragmented dysfunctional service . Multiple BBC crews from different parts of the organisation cover the same news story, ITV had the same issue decades ago and decided to create ITN which was a single organisation which the other parts of ITV and now even some non ITV companies pay. Regardless of bias it is a bloated inefficient service that employs 6000 people. They need to do an ITN.

Children's TV. I don't watch it but I assume the Beeb does a good job with the 2 channels.

National Radio. They are commercial radio channels in all but name nothing that other channels don't do so should be sold off.

Local radio. A joke as their is very little local about them, mainly DJ's doing talks shows about national events or playing music available on other stations. They have actually stifled competition as commercial local radio doesn't really exist because of this. As it is not really local the whole network should be scrapped people may miss their favourite host but they wont miss the local content.

Education. A massive failure of the BBC is to educate. I have said this before the BBC should have a dedicated education channel covering the cradle to the grave. Instead they have dumbed down and scrapped in the name of ratings.

Sport. The BBC should have a dedicated sports channel so when they do cover sports events which is rarely these days they can at least cover it properly, who can forget Playschool whilst Graham Good scored 300. They may not be able to afford football but other sports are available.

Arts. Another failure they should have a dedicated channel like Sky Arts.

Diversity. The BBC now spends hundreds of millions on diversity most of which seems to be on bureaucrats rather than programming.
Completely unnecessary red tape jobs for the boys or is that non gender specific. Diversity is the responsibility of HR and every manager not a separate department. Scrap the dedicated departments.

Diversity 2. In amongst all this largess for diversity one group is completely ignored the BBC's most loyal fan base, pensioners. The DG has even confirmed that the BBC does not have any specific programming for them, how stupid is that piss off your most loyal customers. Talking Pictures is a channel aimed at that group and has been incredibly successful the BBC should take note. They could for example turn BBC 2 from 6am to 6pm as the oldies channel, lets face it nobody watches BBC 2 during the daytime.

Summary
I admit I want the licence fee scrapped an other option would be to reduce it to about £50 and to focus on the stuff that commercial channels don't cover.

As for what the BBC stands for today its a bloated bureaucracy failing to meets its core customer base, I would think Lord Reith would be spinning in his grave.

Spot on.

 


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