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 Matov  30 Aug 18 3.23pm |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
It is a case of blinkered ideology over reality. I struggle with that a little. For me, even a basic understanding of what left-wing political ideology is tells me that far from championing Islam, any self-respecting leftie should be at the forefront of condemning it. They should, all things being equal, actually be even more 'extreme' in their critique of Islamic thought and teachings than TR. And it is going to bite the Left firmly on the arse, sooner rather than later. They might be willing to trade short term hypocrisy in exchange for the Muslim block vote (and lets not kid ourselves here, this entire current row in the Labour party over anti-semitism is driven by the reality that there are more votes from Muslims than Jews for them) but it will all end in tears one day.
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| Stirlingsays 30 Aug 18 3.28pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I struggle with that a little. For me, even a basic understanding of what left-wing political ideology is tells me that far from championing Islam, any self-respecting leftie should be at the forefront of condemning it. They should, all things being equal, actually be even more 'extreme' in their critique of Islamic thought and teachings than TR. And it is going to bite the Left firmly on the arse, sooner rather than later. They might be willing to trade short term hypocrisy in exchange for the Muslim block vote (and lets not kid ourselves here, this entire current row in the Labour party over anti-semitism is driven by the reality that there are more votes from Muslims than Jews for them) but it will all end in tears one day. It will.....but we know that a large number of lefties think 'Imagine' by John Lennon is a political manifesto and not just a song by a brilliant hippy....even if he liked to slap his birds about a bit. They aren't into reality.....they are into idealism and half truths that fit their filtered worldviews.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 30 Aug 18 6.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I struggle with that a little. For me, even a basic understanding of what left-wing political ideology is tells me that far from championing Islam, any self-respecting leftie should be at the forefront of condemning it. They should, all things being equal, actually be even more 'extreme' in their critique of Islamic thought and teachings than TR. And it is going to bite the Left firmly on the arse, sooner rather than later. They might be willing to trade short term hypocrisy in exchange for the Muslim block vote (and lets not kid ourselves here, this entire current row in the Labour party over anti-semitism is driven by the reality that there are more votes from Muslims than Jews for them) but it will all end in tears one day. It is part of modern Left culture to conveniently ignore certain realities related to other cultures and ideologies in order to uphold a more general ideal. In this case, defending anyone who is not 'White' against perceived racism from the so called Right despite the fact that it could be to the detriment of their own culture and country. The self interested have an excuse to be defensive but the new breed of Left are lost in a ideological fantasy. As individuals, we can't stop it.
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cryrst  The garden of England 30 Aug 18 6.35pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Edited by dannyboy1978 (30 Aug 2018 3.08pm) Fact is stranger than fiction.
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| elgrande bedford 30 Aug 18 8.26pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I struggle with that a little. For me, even a basic understanding of what left-wing political ideology is tells me that far from championing Islam, any self-respecting leftie should be at the forefront of condemning it. They should, all things being equal, actually be even more 'extreme' in their critique of Islamic thought and teachings than TR. And it is going to bite the Left firmly on the arse, sooner rather than later. They might be willing to trade short term hypocrisy in exchange for the Muslim block vote (and lets not kid ourselves here, this entire current row in the Labour party over anti-semitism is driven by the reality that there are more votes from Muslims than Jews for them) but it will all end in tears one day. That is very good,and completely explains the lefts ideals perfectly.
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| Bert the Head Epsom 31 Aug 18 8.58pm |
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Originally posted by Matov
I struggle with that a little. For me, even a basic understanding of what left-wing political ideology is tells me that far from championing Islam, any self-respecting leftie should be at the forefront of condemning it. They should, all things being equal, actually be even more 'extreme' in their critique of Islamic thought and teachings than TR. And it is going to bite the Left firmly on the arse, sooner rather than later. They might be willing to trade short term hypocrisy in exchange for the Muslim block vote (and lets not kid ourselves here, this entire current row in the Labour party over anti-semitism is driven by the reality that there are more votes from Muslims than Jews for them) but it will all end in tears one day. Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) and also see the injustice of the UK/USA bombing the f*ck out of Muslims countries to make sure we get their oil. Maybe it isn't short termism at all but consistency. Maybe you hold too much trust in the rich mans' media. Maybe their will even be food and medicine after Brexit.
Edited by Bert the Head (31 Aug 2018 8.58pm)
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| cryrst The garden of England 31 Aug 18 9.12pm |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) and also see the injustice of the UK/USA bombing the f*ck out of Muslims countries to make sure we get their oil. Maybe it isn't short termism at all but consistency. Maybe you hold too much trust in the rich mans' media. Maybe their will even be food and medicine after Brexit. Check your history or does past history not count. Edited by Bert the Head (31 Aug 2018 8.58pm)
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| simonmdt x 31 Aug 18 9.28pm |
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Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) and also see the injustice of the UK/USA bombing the f*ck out of Muslims countries to make sure we get their oil. Maybe it isn't short termism at all but consistency. Maybe you hold too much trust in the rich mans' media. Maybe their will even be food and medicine after Brexit.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Aug 18 9.58pm |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) Why do you make up lies? They shot Hamas terrorists trying to cross the Israeli border... with the intention of killing its citizens. There were peaceful protests that took place away from the border and were left well alone.
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| Penge Eagle Beckenham 31 Aug 18 10.00pm |
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Originally posted by simonmdt
Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) and also see the injustice of the UK/USA bombing the f*ck out of Muslims countries to make sure we get their oil. Maybe it isn't short termism at all but consistency. Maybe you hold too much trust in the rich mans' media. Maybe their will even be food and medicine after Brexit. Except it's not the Christian Right, but each of the recent US presidents. Except Israel cannot find a peaceful solution with terrorists (Hamas) at the helm.
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| lefty27 ipswich 31 Aug 18 10.02pm |
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Originally posted by dannyboy1978
Why has our state turned on its self Watched 2 mins then googled her, she discribes herself as an independent journalist, hilarious. Her you tube channel looks like the ramblings of a middle aged, female groping racist mans wet dream.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 31 Aug 18 10.14pm |
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Originally posted by Bert the Head
Or maybe the lefties see the injustice of the state of Israel taking land that is not theirs from the Palestinians, then shooting them (Palestinian people, including kids) when they protest about it) and also see the injustice of the UK/USA bombing the f*ck out of Muslims countries to make sure we get their oil. Maybe it isn't short termism at all but consistency. Maybe you hold too much trust in the rich mans' media. Maybe their will even be food and medicine after Brexit. Sir Bert the Head please your majesty! The voice of treason, i mean reason! Great post Sir Bert!
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