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W12 18 Dec 18 1.36pm
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dannyboy1978 18 Dec 18 1.42pm
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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 18 1.42pm
Originally posted by Mapletree That is correct So what happens if the majority don't accept it? Well, like the leavers had to do for generations they wait. You can hope that the arses in charge aren't as terrible to you, as they were to people like me.....Perhaps you won't get to wait forty years. If remain had won by the same margin....I wonder what your attitude would have been to the pressure for another vote right away...Mmmm. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.44pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Dec 18 1.42pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

That is correct

So what happens if the majority don't accept it?

Well, like the leavers had to do for generations they wait.

You can hope that the arses in charge aren't as terrible to you, as they were to people like me.....Perhaps you won't get to wait forty years.

If remain had won by the same margin....I wonder what your attitude would have been to the pressure for another vote right away...Mmmm.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.44pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.47pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, like the leavers had to do for generations they wait. You can hope that the arses in charge aren't as terrible to you, as they were to people like me.....Perhaps you won't get to wait forty years. If remain had won by the same margin....I wonder what your attitude would have been to the pressure for another vote right away...Mmmm. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.44pm) You see, I don't think they do wait. I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see. I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975.
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Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.47pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, like the leavers had to do for generations they wait.

You can hope that the arses in charge aren't as terrible to you, as they were to people like me.....Perhaps you won't get to wait forty years.

If remain had won by the same margin....I wonder what your attitude would have been to the pressure for another vote right away...Mmmm.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.44pm)

You see, I don't think they do wait.

I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see.

I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975.

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chris123 hove actually 18 Dec 18 1.53pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You see, I don't think they do wait. I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see. I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975. If it was the same animal as the economic community we voted to stay in, I'd agree. But it isn't.
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hove actually 18 Dec 18 1.53pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You see, I don't think they do wait.

I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see.

I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975.

If it was the same animal as the economic community we voted to stay in, I'd agree. But it isn't.

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 18 1.53pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You see, I don't think they do wait. I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see. I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975. The margin of a vote doesn't change the length of a parliament. I would agree however, that even though more people voted to leave the EU than have ever voted for any other result in UK history that another vote in ten years or so would be fair enough. The words said before this vote by those that set it have to be respected. But to attempt to overturn the leave vote even before Brexit has been enacted. That's not democracy. Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.55pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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Stirlingsays

18 Dec 18 1.53pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You see, I don't think they do wait.

I suspect they will be somewhat more proactive than that. We shall see.

I could also point out again the difference between the scale of the vote in favour of the EU in 1975 and the leave vote in 2016. I would suggest it was somewhat more convincing in 1975.

The margin of a vote doesn't change the length of a parliament.

I would agree however, that even though more people voted to leave the EU than have ever voted for any other result in UK history that another vote in ten years or so would be fair enough.

The words said before this vote by those that set it have to be respected. But to attempt to overturn the leave vote even before Brexit has been enacted.

That's not democracy.

Edited by Stirlingsays (18 Dec 2018 1.55pm)

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.57pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays The margin of a vote doesn't change the length of a parliament. I would agree however, that even though more people voted to leave the EU than have ever voted for any other result in UK history that another vote in ten years or so would be fair enough. But to attempt to overturn the leave vote even before Brexit has been enacted. That's not democracy. I think you would have to define democracy If it's the will of the people then it is. In any case our democracy is supposed to be representative and not direct, it was only the weakness of Cameron that resulted in a plebiscite. Mind you, the intrasigence of the EU was a major driver for the groundswell of anti-EU opinion.
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Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.57pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

The margin of a vote doesn't change the length of a parliament.

I would agree however, that even though more people voted to leave the EU than have ever voted for any other result in UK history that another vote in ten years or so would be fair enough.

But to attempt to overturn the leave vote even before Brexit has been enacted.

That's not democracy.

I think you would have to define democracy

If it's the will of the people then it is.

In any case our democracy is supposed to be representative and not direct, it was only the weakness of Cameron that resulted in a plebiscite.

Mind you, the intrasigence of the EU was a major driver for the groundswell of anti-EU opinion.

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.58pm
Originally posted by chris123 If it was the same animal as the economic community we voted to stay in, I'd agree. But it isn't. This is a true point. Still don't think there was a clear majority for exiting the EU until exactly the time of the vote, which was a response to a build up of frustrations.
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Mapletree

Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.58pm

Originally posted by chris123

If it was the same animal as the economic community we voted to stay in, I'd agree. But it isn't.

This is a true point.

Still don't think there was a clear majority for exiting the EU until exactly the time of the vote, which was a response to a build up of frustrations.

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steeleye20 Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.59pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays That's the salient point that many in remain just aren't interested in. The reality is that all this was said before the referendum. It was made very clear by all the major players that this vote mattered. Now because remain lost....suddenly we have to have another vote like the Irish did. No, you win some, you lose some. However, some people just can't accept it. 'another vote like the Irish did'. Exactly, it is democracy.
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Croydon 18 Dec 18 1.59pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That's the salient point that many in remain just aren't interested in.

The reality is that all this was said before the referendum. It was made very clear by all the major players that this vote mattered.

Now because remain lost....suddenly we have to have another vote like the Irish did.

No, you win some, you lose some. However, some people just can't accept it.

'another vote like the Irish did'.

Exactly, it is democracy.

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 18 2.03pm
Originally posted by Mapletree This is a true point. Still don't think there was a clear majority for exiting the EU until exactly the time of the vote, which was a response to a build up of frustrations. Well, for years before the vote opinions polls were showing majorities against the EU.....Was you pushing for a vote on it? No you weren't.....So why should you expect people to care now? I wager that it isn't because you care about what potential majorities exist out there but only because this is all you have. Nope.....Brexit must be allowed to play out. What was done to the anti EU crowd should be meted out to the pro EU crowd.....How we were treated should be how you are....Even if I promote the idea that leavers should be far fairer than the pro EU crowd were. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Dec 18 2.03pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

This is a true point.

Still don't think there was a clear majority for exiting the EU until exactly the time of the vote, which was a response to a build up of frustrations.

Well, for years before the vote opinions polls were showing majorities against the EU.....Was you pushing for a vote on it?

No you weren't.....So why should you expect people to care now?

I wager that it isn't because you care about what potential majorities exist out there but only because this is all you have.

Nope.....Brexit must be allowed to play out.

What was done to the anti EU crowd should be meted out to the pro EU crowd.....How we were treated should be how you are....Even if I promote the idea that leavers should be far fairer than the pro EU crowd were.

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays 18 Dec 18 2.05pm
Originally posted by steeleye20 'another vote like the Irish did'. Exactly, it is democracy. Like you proved on here during the independence vote in Spain.....you don't care about democracy Steely. You appear to only use the concept for convenience. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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18 Dec 18 2.05pm

Originally posted by steeleye20

'another vote like the Irish did'.

Exactly, it is democracy.

Like you proved on here during the independence vote in Spain.....you don't care about democracy Steely.

You appear to only use the concept for convenience.

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Mapletree Croydon 18 Dec 18 2.08pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Well, for years before the vote opinions polls were showing majorities against the EU.....Was you pushing for a vote on it? No you weren't.....So why should you expect people to care now? I wager that it isn't because you care about what potential majorities exist out there but only because this is all you have. Nope.....Brexit must be allowed to play out. What was done to the anti EU crowd should be meted out to the pro EU crowd.....How we were treated should be how you are....Even if I promote the idea that leavers should be far fairer than the pro EU crowd were. You are misunderstanding me again My prediction is that there will be a People's Vote for two reasons. First because Brexit is proving to be a Unicorn, as predicted. And second because 'The People' are mobilising and will take over the agenda in the end. I may well be wrong and it may be wishful thinking but I am sensing a sea change in the politics.
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Mapletree

Croydon 18 Dec 18 2.08pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Well, for years before the vote opinions polls were showing majorities against the EU.....Was you pushing for a vote on it?

No you weren't.....So why should you expect people to care now?

I wager that it isn't because you care about what potential majorities exist out there but only because this is all you have.

Nope.....Brexit must be allowed to play out.

You are misunderstanding me again

My prediction is that there will be a People's Vote for two reasons. First because Brexit is proving to be a Unicorn, as predicted. And second because 'The People' are mobilising and will take over the agenda in the end.

I may well be wrong and it may be wishful thinking but I am sensing a sea change in the politics.

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