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cryrst The garden of England 07 Jul 22 10.03pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
Anti vaxxers have the right to decide what they want to do or not do. What they shouldn't do is dictate to others what they should do. I've 'bumped in to' some of them outside hospitals, giving staff grief as they leave work having have spent all day saving peoples lives. Quite frankly the majority spout s***e that they see on the internet posted as fact. I have researched several of these posts including one that claimed that the vaccines were causing deaths. It claimed to be a document from the CDC in the USA. Turned out that the headings from the original document had been edited. No deaths were mentioned in the original. The numbers had also been changed. At the bottom of the edited doc was a disclaimer in small print stating that the 'views of the document were that of the author and not the CDC' The only conspiracy is that on the part of the anti vaxxers making up s***e to convince people not to protect themselves. The sad thing is that people believe it and thus don't get their kids protected. The other fantastic claim made was that the vaccine was causing women to lose babies when they were pregnant and that men were made sterile. At the time the only people getting the vaccine were those over 60!!! Go figure! They constantly spout on that the vaccines don't work or don't give protection for very long and then also give a long list of the long term health effects they will have. So which is it then! The guy at the head of all this s*** is the same man that came up with the MMR jab causes autism. Turns out HE was the doctor on a court case suing the makers on behalf of people who were claiming millions against the makers of the jab. He made that up as well and had no data when asked for it before he was struck off. So basically its all about the 30 silver coins he wants. He doesn't care sweet FA about kids as long as he gets his donations. At the elephant and castle the other day were these bots with posters about 11 year olds having heart attacks. Sadly I never stopped near them as my question was how many compared to any given year. Same as climate activists who know f all about what they’re protesting about. I know loads of people who had the jabs and none have died from heart attacks. Where are these people or at least a witness
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The groover Danbury 07 Jul 22 10.41pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
At the elephant and castle the other day were these bots with posters about 11 year olds having heart attacks. Sadly I never stopped near them as my question was how many compared to any given year. Same as climate activists who know f all about what they’re protesting about. I know loads of people who had the jabs and none have died from heart attacks. Where are these people or at least a witness Covid does affect your heart, I know from personal experience. Therefore it makes sense that the vaccine MAY do the same, but to a lessor degree. I repair cardiac x-ray, and there has not been an increase in those presenting with heart conditions. As for 11 year old kids!!! What a crock. The only kids I see are those with congenital heart conditions or new born babies.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 22 11.23pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
He was pushing the jabs no so long ago and I can send you dozens of testimonies from virologists, immunologists and doctors explaining why the vaccines are dangerous, what the mechanisms are that cause adverse reactions and disease and indeed why they are not even vaccines. But you won't watch them anyway and continue to play the man and not the ball. That'll be good! No respectable, knowledgeable healthcare professional believes that. You, and those you want to reference, are talking out of their rear ends if they truly think they aren't vaccines. That "Dr" Campbell has changed his tune only seems to confirm my belief that he is a presentable, avuncular type who tells people what they want to hear. How he is monetising his videos is unknown to me, but I wager he is somehow.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 22 11.27pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
I'll remember you in 2024 when Trump gets re-elected and remind myself of your incredible mixture of delusions and dishonesty. I don't need to wait until 2024 to remember all your despicable content. It's here every day. Should Trump be elected again, which I accept is possible, it would only confirm just how detached from reality US politics has become and hasten their plunge to the bottom.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 07 Jul 22 11.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
It's not a 'might', it's factual. It was also predicted and it's something that people should both be concerned about and told. Your criticism of Campbell is quite frankly deplorable. He's a good man who only tries to help people. We should certainly try to understand and deal with any abnormal trends. What we must not do is rush to illogical, factless conclusions simply because they suit a prejudiced agenda. We disagree about Campbell. I think he is a fraud, who has taken up positions that cannot be defended. I don't think he is trying to help anyone. He is frightening some, and helping to confirm biases in others.
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BlueJay UK 07 Jul 22 11.58pm | |
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Originally posted by The groover
Covid does affect your heart, I know from personal experience. Therefore it makes sense that the vaccine MAY do the same, but to a lessor degree. I repair cardiac x-ray, and there has not been an increase in those presenting with heart conditions. As for 11 year old kids!!! What a crock. The only kids I see are those with congenital heart conditions or new born babies. And isn't it curious that those who spend seemingly every day of their life reeling off what they perceive to be the side effects of the vaccine, never once appear to mention that fact, and see covid related health problems as something that was either 'some other illness' or something that exclusively only bumps you off if you're tumbling into a grave anyway. There are plenty of valid criticisms of how covid was dealt with. That some feel the need to fixate on and attack a vaccine that has saved many lives, just demonstrates an overly politicised outlook (that is inevitably always some kind of weirdo package deal with various ther unrelated topics shat out of the exact same echo chambers). What 'free thinkers'. Yeah, likely free of people in any real world settings willing to listen unless they literally have no choice. Authority of opinion by duress holds no positive meaning, value or intent.
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Stirlingsays 08 Jul 22 5.10am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
We should certainly try to understand and deal with any abnormal trends. What we must not do is rush to illogical, factless conclusions simply because they suit a prejudiced agenda. We disagree about Campbell. I think he is a fraud, who has taken up positions that cannot be defended. I don't think he is trying to help anyone. He is frightening some, and helping to confirm biases in others. Really? Like what? What positions?
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Stirlingsays 08 Jul 22 5.19am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I don't need to wait until 2024 to remember all your despicable content. It's here every day. Should Trump be elected again, which I accept is possible, it would only confirm just how detached from reality US politics has become and hasten their plunge to the bottom. Up is down in regards to you. The reality is that the removal of Trump has seen America nose dive economically and in foreign affairs up to the point where the world now has a cold war in their future. But hey....no mean tweets....just a feeble old perverted and corrupt fool representing the 'free' world. From what's available I'd prefer DeSantis personally, but at least the re-election of Trump will be a rejection of your beloved 'liberal world order'....whose modern interpretations have done little but worsen most social and economic metrics for most other than rich elites. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2022 5.20am)
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W12 08 Jul 22 9.49am | |
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Originally posted by The groover
Anti vaxxers have the right to decide what they want to do or not do. What they shouldn't do is dictate to others what they should do. I've 'bumped in to' some of them outside hospitals, giving staff grief as they leave work having have spent all day saving peoples lives. Quite frankly the majority spout s***e that they see on the internet posted as fact. I have researched several of these posts including one that claimed that the vaccines were causing deaths. It claimed to be a document from the CDC in the USA. Turned out that the headings from the original document had been edited. No deaths were mentioned in the original. The numbers had also been changed. At the bottom of the edited doc was a disclaimer in small print stating that the 'views of the document were that of the author and not the CDC' The only conspiracy is that on the part of the anti vaxxers making up s***e to convince people not to protect themselves. The sad thing is that people believe it and thus don't get their kids protected. The other fantastic claim made was that the vaccine was causing women to lose babies when they were pregnant and that men were made sterile. At the time the only people getting the vaccine were those over 60!!! Go figure! They constantly spout on that the vaccines don't work or don't give protection for very long and then also give a long list of the long term health effects they will have. So which is it then! The guy at the head of all this s*** is the same man that came up with the MMR jab causes autism. Turns out HE was the doctor on a court case suing the makers on behalf of people who were claiming millions against the makers of the jab. He made that up as well and had no data when asked for it before he was struck off. So basically its all about the 30 silver coins he wants. He doesn't care sweet FA about kids as long as he gets his donations. Sorry but that is just a lot of bulls*** especially the bit in bold. A very quick list of senior Pharma industry people that are calling out these "vaccines" includes: Dr Mike Yeadon - former chief scientist and vice-president of Pfizer's allergy and respiratory research unit Dr Robert Malone - a man who holds patents relating to mRNA technology Dr Peter McCullough - the most published Cardiorenal doctor in America Dr Dolores Cahill - Scientist – Immunologist/Molecular Biologist (there are hundreds if not thousands more all over the world) Yet we are meant to believe all of these people are either nuts or have some other motive when all they get for speaking out is losing their position or being struck off. Do you understand the the pharmaceutical companies have a long history of fraud and huge fines related to that? (especially Pfizer).
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 22 1.20pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Up is down in regards to you. The reality is that the removal of Trump has seen America nose dive economically and in foreign affairs up to the point where the world now has a cold war in their future. But hey....no mean tweets....just a feeble old perverted and corrupt fool representing the 'free' world. From what's available I'd prefer DeSantis personally, but at least the re-election of Trump will be a rejection of your beloved 'liberal world order'....whose modern interpretations have done little but worsen most social and economic metrics for most other than rich elites. Edited by Stirlingsays (08 Jul 2022 5.20am) That the removal of Trump coincided with those things doesn't mean if he hadn't had been, they wouldn't have happened. Indeed, you could make a strong case that his Presidency was, at least in part, responsible for them and that his removal has, at the very least, mitigated the impact. But hey, don't let that stop you joining in with the ignorant Biden hatefest polluting social media in the USA. The two tribes there are now talking such completely different languages that I cannot see a way to restore sanity. The way that the right wing media do nothing but try to widen that gap stinks. I don't see that coming from the more liberal media, who at least try to understand and explain why the right feel as they do.
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W12 08 Jul 22 1.30pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That the removal of Trump coincided with those things doesn't mean if he hadn't had been, they wouldn't have happened. Indeed, you could make a strong case that his Presidency was, at least in part, responsible for them and that his removal has, at the very least, mitigated the impact. But hey, don't let that stop you joining in with the ignorant Biden hatefest polluting social media in the USA. The two tribes there are now talking such completely different languages that I cannot see a way to restore sanity. The way that the right wing media do nothing but try to widen that gap stinks. I don't see that coming from the more liberal media, who at least try to understand and explain why the right feel as they do. What's that then? (other than all these basement dwelling youtubers you like to bang on about)
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 08 Jul 22 1.38pm | |
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Originally posted by W12
Sorry but that is just a lot of bulls*** especially the bit in bold. A very quick list of senior Pharma industry people that are calling out these "vaccines" includes: Dr Mike Yeadon - former chief scientist and vice-president of Pfizer's allergy and respiratory research unit Dr Robert Malone - a man who holds patents relating to mRNA technology Dr Peter McCullough - the most published Cardiorenal doctor in America Dr Dolores Cahill - Scientist – Immunologist/Molecular Biologist (there are hundreds if not thousands more all over the world) Do you understand the the pharmaceutical companies have a long history of fraud and huge fines related to that? (especially Pfizer).
Are you still pushing this discredited nonsense? It has all been covered many times. They are not "senior" Pharma people, and there aren't "hundreds of thousands" of them. There is a handful who, for a variety of their own reasons, are publishing misleading and often totally inaccurate claims. For instance:- Michael Yeadon is a British anti-vaccine activist and retired pharmacologist who attracted media attention for making false or unfounded claims about the COVID-19 pandemic and the safety of COVID-19 vaccines. The Times has described him as "a hero of Covid conspiracy theorists"and "a key figure in the antivax movement" Find information on the others yourself. They all have their own motivations for ramping up the antivax conspiracy theories.
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