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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jul 21 5.34pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
The WHO has admitted...without any acknowledgement to how serious this is.....that they were wrong to rule out the Wuhan lab leak theory. I know we live in a world where no one seems to give much of a feck about anything anymore (unless it directly affects them) I stress that this action is and was extremely serious. Not only does it validate Trump's distrust of the neutrality of the WHO at the time (for which the usual suspects criticised him) but it also highlights the power the unelected social media giants were allowed to exert....with no challenge....to censor and ban people who actually proposed a theory that not only made sense but had no evidence against it. This is very murky and questions need to be asked upon the back door financial and career interests of people who immediately ridiculed the 'Wuhan lab' theory which practically all mainstream western media outlets were worryingly willing to back. There should also be investigation into those who published both in the Lancet....in fact this has already been done and it doesn't look good with obvious conflicts of interest with funding and careers. However, this needs to be done on an official and state level.....The Lancet itself has adjusted its statement to reflect the possible conflicts of interests that were initially denied by those behind the signatures on the published letter. Recently, and I suppose as you would expect these same contributors have recently doubled down.....which even if conflicts of interest are ignored is a serious commentary upon their judgement at that early stage of the virus. This is highly serious. People are expected to believe scientists and their recommendations are used both by politicians and the media as justifications for their actions.
Your last sentence would fit the climate change (all our fault) theory as well. Ironically trump poo pooed that as well. The man might just be correct but it would pain many, both in the pocket and reputation to admit it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 21 6.49pm | |
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OK, an admission of editing errors. Later in the Standard piece they report that in an email the WHO said:- "the mistakes did not impact the data analysis process or conclusions of their investigation. It also said it will also be investigating other possible mistakes in the documents". The press are all over this like a rash which is more deadly than the virus itself, and those who dislike the WHO are jumping in with both feet. Is it justified? Not in my book, but I don't believe conspiracy theories as a general rule.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 20 Jul 21 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
Your last sentence would fit the climate change (all our fault) theory as well. Ironically trump poo pooed that as well. The man might just be correct but it would pain many, both in the pocket and reputation to admit it. The problem with that is that climate change is not a theory. It is an observable fact. That there are deniers is hardly surprising. Some people seem to deny most things these days if they don't match their prejudices. That's where the moral bankruptcy lies. That we don't know everything about the changes is quite different. Some of it may well be part of a natural cycle, but man's contribution has been established.
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Teddy Eagle 20 Jul 21 7.03pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
OK, an admission of editing errors. Later in the Standard piece they report that in an email the WHO said:- "the mistakes did not impact the data analysis process or conclusions of their investigation. It also said it will also be investigating other possible mistakes in the documents". The press are all over this like a rash which is more deadly than the virus itself, and those who dislike the WHO are jumping in with both feet. Is it justified? Not in my book, but I don't believe conspiracy theories as a general rule. Is it a conspiracy theory that China have reported fewer deaths than Ireland?
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jul 21 7.38pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
The problem with that is that climate change is not a theory. It is an observable fact. That there are deniers is hardly surprising. Some people seem to deny most things these days if they don't match their prejudices. That's where the moral bankruptcy lies. That we don't know everything about the changes is quite different. Some of it may well be part of a natural cycle, but man's contribution has been established. Prove it then because all we have are predictions with no historic data to compare it to. The earth is older than you WE. Building on flood plains and in old valleys is folly. They had water there once and will again. Its in the description. The hot weather is probably normal but it changes areas as the earth moves around on its axises.
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Behind Enemy Lines Sussex 20 Jul 21 8.17pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Interestingly apparently the Earth’s axis tilt varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees-every 40,000 years or so. This shifts the normal weather patterns and man thinks the change is down to him. This would imply otherwise. The last noticeable shift was in 1995, so within recent memory and therefore ‘proof’ that me driving a car is the cause of the change in the climate. The cynic in me says that the climate agenda is designed to replace the fear that religion used to install in the population; it’s a means to control - and tax - a gullable percentage of the population.
hats off to palace, they were always gonna be louder, and hate to say it but they were impressive ALL bouncing and singing. |
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cryrst The garden of England 20 Jul 21 10.08pm | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
I thank you and take my bow.
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Wilesy01 Bristol 20 Jul 21 10.23pm | |
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Originally posted by cryrst
I thank you and take my bow. Whilst I didn't like Liverpool winning the title either there is literally thousands upon thousands of peer reviewed studies of why climate change is real, and why humans have contributed towards it.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jul 21 12.07am | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Is it a conspiracy theory that China have reported fewer deaths than Ireland? I doubt it. More likely that China suppresses the truth, as it seems to with many things. That though has nothing to do with what the WHO has said or done. They tried to steer a difficult course through a political minefield whilst trying to avoid too many people getting blown up. With hindsight they are now reflecting on what has happened to try to get closer to the truth. They need support and not condemnation.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 21 Jul 21 12.25am | |
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Originally posted by Behind Enemy Lines
nterestingly apparently the Earth’s axis tilt varies between 22.1 and 24.5 degrees-every 40,000 years or so. This shifts the normal weather patterns and man thinks the change is down to him. This would imply otherwise. The last noticeable shift was in 1995, so within recent memory and therefore ‘proof’ that me driving a car is the cause of the change in the climate. The cynic in me says that the climate agenda is designed to replace the fear that religion used to install in the population; it’s a means to control - and tax - a gullable percentage of the population. This is bs, pure and simple. Not the research into tilting, but your conclusions. There will be future ice ages, but they won't arrive in a century, but over thousands of years. By the time the next arrives, mankind will either have destroyed itself or decamped to another planet. We can safely leave the worries about that to future generations. As I have said here before, I had the privilege of knowing one of the UK's leading climate scientists on a personal level a few years ago. She knew the truth, and I knew her. She told the truth. It's real, I would bet my life on it. All of the natural causes have been factored in, but the evidence for man made warming, since the industrial revolution, makes this a fact and not a theory. That some now spin conspiracy theories of the type you offer is, I suppose, inevitable in today's world. As only the gullible believe them, it's a little ironic you think everyone else is.
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Teddy Eagle 21 Jul 21 12.27am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I doubt it. More likely that China suppresses the truth, as it seems to with many things. That though has nothing to do with what the WHO has said or done. They tried to steer a difficult course through a political minefield whilst trying to avoid too many people getting blown up. With hindsight they are now reflecting on what has happened to try to get closer to the truth. They need support and not condemnation. Trump says it came from a lab and it was a reprehensible conspiracy theory.
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cryrst The garden of England 21 Jul 21 4.46am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
This is bs, pure and simple. Not the research into tilting, but your conclusions. There will be future ice ages, but they won't arrive in a century, but over thousands of years. By the time the next arrives, mankind will either have destroyed itself or decamped to another planet. We can safely leave the worries about that to future generations. As I have said here before, I had the privilege of knowing one of the UK's leading climate scientists on a personal level a few years ago. She knew the truth, and I knew her. She told the truth. It's real, I would bet my life on it. All of the natural causes have been factored in, but the evidence for man made warming, since the industrial revolution, makes this a fact and not a theory. That some now spin conspiracy theories of the type you offer is, I suppose, inevitable in today's world. As only the gullible believe them, it's a little ironic you think everyone else is. Climate scientists study the climate to find reasons it changes. There are those same learned people out there who disagree with your friend. Is their evidence and reasoning not as valid. These aren't raving loonies they are using the same data and finding different answers. Do you not even find it a bit strange that so much is invested in this that the answers fit the finance. It is also a fact that any of these scientists going against the man made theory are cancelled and ostracised, funding for their research is cut to them. What would you do, starve or lie?
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