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Teddy Eagle 17 Feb 22 11.44am | |
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Not much consolation for the French who have to leap through the same hoops.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Feb 22 1.36pm | |
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Originally posted by The Dolphin
I and millions of others were obviously uninformed and stupid when we voted to leave - hmm - let me think. Edited by The Dolphin (17 Feb 2022 10.59am) What's been your favourite positive consequence of Brexit? or your top 3?
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Stirlingsays 17 Feb 22 1.42pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
What's been your favourite positive consequence of Brexit? or your top 3? Until the Northern Ireland situation is sorted out, we still don't really have Brexit.
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EverybodyDannsNow SE19 17 Feb 22 1.45pm | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Until the Northern Ireland situation is sorted out, we still don't really have Brexit. So the issue that was never mentioned during the referendum, dismissed as easily solvable during the negotiations, and for which we'd already supposedly reached a solution when we agreed a deal? You'd have thought someone would've mentioned how pivotal to Brexit it was at the time.
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nead1 17 Feb 22 2.04pm | |
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It was mentioned at the time by Blair and Major who jointly visited NI and warned just how difficult the issue would be and its potential to impact on the GF agreement; those were two people who knew what the political issues of NI were all about - not the bluff and bluster of BJ who, of course, concluded the protocol with references of "sending any paperwork to him". Subsequent events have proven both the tissue of lies re NI and also his broader complete lack of judgement.
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Stirlingsays 17 Feb 22 2.43pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
So the issue that was never mentioned during the referendum, dismissed as easily solvable during the negotiations, and for which we'd already supposedly reached a solution when we agreed a deal? You'd have thought someone would've mentioned how pivotal to Brexit it was at the time. Perhaps, however I don't think anyone expected such bad faith from the EU....as that's what it is....it's pretty low.
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Stirlingsays 17 Feb 22 2.48pm | |
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Originally posted by nead1
It was mentioned at the time by Blair and Major who jointly visited NI and warned just how difficult the issue would be and its potential to impact on the GF agreement; those were two people who knew what the political issues of NI were all about - not the bluff and bluster of BJ who, of course, concluded the protocol with references of "sending any paperwork to him". Subsequent events have proven both the tissue of lies re NI and also his broader complete lack of judgement. While NI is still British then the reality is that we don't have a 'Brexit'. You have 3/4 Brexit. As for the Singapore economy option that Brexit potentially allows....I think that's more in the hands of the EU than it is the economic right of the conservatives. Johnson is far too much of a cuck to walk that line....but if the Tories win the next election with a similar majority and the EU still want to play hardball....in those circumstances I could see moves start towards it.
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chris123 hove actually 17 Feb 22 2.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
Not much consolation for the French who have to leap through the same hoops. Vive la république!!
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Matov 17 Feb 22 3.33pm | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
So the issue that was never mentioned during the referendum, dismissed as easily solvable during the negotiations, and for which we'd already supposedly reached a solution when we agreed a deal? You'd have thought someone would've mentioned how pivotal to Brexit it was at the time. It was one of the primary reasons why I did not want any kind of formal deal done with the EU. Local solutions could have been put into place, along with a host of others as well, as opposed to a one size fits all arrangement which is absolutely ludicrous. Less than 2% of all UK exports actually crosses that particular border so it was utterly insignificant to the UK and given that the freedom of individual movement between the two countries pre-dated the EU by many decades, then that was never going to be an issue anyway. The only people ever putting in any kind of 'hard' border infrastructure was going to be the EU and its a complete myth for people to think there ever was custom-free trade between the two nations anyway with the Southern Irish already checking not only commercial vehicles but also private ones as well for things such as heating oil. NI has been allowed to hang in the ether by a political class who still wish for us to be tied into the EU. A 'good' deal for the UK never existed and it would have been far more honest to just admit that from the start rather than us being led down the garden path. The EU, and those driving its wider agenda, are not pragmatic people. Greeces inclusion in the single currency project is the prime example of that. The notion that we could sit down and deal with them is utterly ludicrous.
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steeleye20 Croydon 17 Feb 22 6.16pm | |
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The battered band of Brexiters is now seen as wandering in a hostile desert, mystified at why their promised land has failed to materialise. Former European partners were supposed to come crawling to London begging for business. We were told: “They need us more than we need them.” But Europe’s other nations have no interest in rewarding separatism of any sort. A Britain divided, weakened and ill-led is merely the subject of scorn and ridicule. Chaos at Dover is an excellent advertisement for European union. The UK will have to find a way back into the single market somehow. The longer it delays the worse it will get.
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georgenorman 17 Feb 22 10.06pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
The battered band of Brexiters is now seen as wandering in a hostile desert, mystified at why their promised land has failed to materialise. Former European partners were supposed to come crawling to London begging for business. We were told: “They need us more than we need them.” But Europe’s other nations have no interest in rewarding separatism of any sort. A Britain divided, weakened and ill-led is merely the subject of scorn and ridicule. Chaos at Dover is an excellent advertisement for European union. The UK will have to find a way back into the single market somehow. The longer it delays the worse it will get. What's in it for your communist agenda though?
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nead1 17 Feb 22 11.03pm | |
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I have no idea about any communist agendas of the previous poster; however, the thrust of his argument is correct. No nation can economically prosper by essentially erecting significant trade barriers with its (by far) biggest trading partner. It is absolutely no surprise to me that we are now clearly seeing the economic impact of the what BJ, out of pure political self interest, and his band of Brexit idealogues dreamt up. Whilst Covid has clearly had a major impact on British finances so has Brexit. For example, look at the recent announcement of reginal aid to Wales who were historically a significant benefactor of EU reginal funds. The British Govt promised to create a similar UK fund but the reality is £bn's worse and it will impact some of the poorest areas of the country. That's one specific impact of Brexit but the list is long! A Minister of Brexit opportunities - bit late in the day to be thinking about those in my opinion especially when it's the Mogg with his ultra entitled behaviour and attitudes. I wonder how much support he will get from the Scottish Tory leader - "bit of a light weight". That tells you all you need to know about the Mogg and his band of English nationalists who, of course, included Owen Patterson!
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