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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 11.42pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 11.34pm

But Nick, you are happy for the State to pay the workers of an unprofitable industry like the mining. And you are against individuals from moving away from a town that has no jobs to make a living. It's classic State vs Individualism. You are happy for a large State which controls our lives such as our transport system, our energy etc.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 11.40pm)


Once again,you are attributing things to me that I have not said! Where have I said that I am against people moving to look for work? Did you expect all of the people in a town affected by pit closures to move away? Multiply this by the number of places affected and you'd have a lot of people getting on their bikes. Coupled with high unemployment, where do you expect them to go anyway? Who would house these economic refugees?

I do think the state should have greater control of services. Look what happened when control of these services was wrested away from the state... high fuel bills charged by a cartel of energy companies that are not even British!

Edited by nickgusset (19 Apr 2013 12.08am)

 
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Pinky Flag Kent 21 Apr 13 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

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Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

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Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies which still exist today -Chavdom , higher rates of homelessness, crime rates and traffic pollution; love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.


Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 11.01am)

 

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Pinky Flag Kent 21 Apr 13 10.20am

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Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

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Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies - Chavdom , homelessness, crime rates, traffic pollution, love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 9.06am)

I envy the Scots for having the ultimate get-out clause, but dread them making the only rational decision. Can you extend the border south to the Humber, then I can move back home to Durham and be independent, too?

Edited by Pinky (21 Apr 2013 10.22am)

 
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Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

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Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies - Chavdom , homelessness, crime rates, traffic pollution, love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 9.06am)

I envy the Scots for having the ultimate get-out clause, but dread them making the only rational decision. Can you extend the border south to the Humber, then I can move back home to Durham and be independent, too?

Edited by Pinky (21 Apr 2013 10.22am)


I'm willing to bet a 1000 pounds neither Pinky or Mc Kermit move to an Independent Scotland

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 21 Apr 13 2.46pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.56pm

Every office I've worked in has been full of people from outside London. That's what people do to get good jobs and they love it in the capital. In an ideal world it shouldn't be the case but we don't live in a perfect world, you have to adapt! But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Let's become the Soviet Union.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.59pm)

So arguably people who cannot afford to live in the area they work? How good a job is that, one which can only employ people who need to travel an hour or so a day each way, so that's around 9.5 hours a day minimum.


 

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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.56pm

Every office I've worked in has been full of people from outside London. That's what people do to get good jobs and they love it in the capital. In an ideal world it shouldn't be the case but we don't live in a perfect world, you have to adapt! But Lefties don't want individuals to make their own decisions but instead want the State to organise their lives (job, house) for them. Let's become the Soviet Union.

Edited by Penge Eagle (18 Apr 2013 10.59pm)

So arguably people who cannot afford to live in the area they work? How good a job is that, one which can only employ people who need to travel an hour or so a day each way, so that's around 9.5 hours a day minimum.



9.5 Hours isn't a long day especially if you can work Flexi Hours....& hour travelling is nothing It takes me 40 minutes to get into the City from The Bronx.

 

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Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 10.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 7.11am

Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

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Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies - Chavdom , homelessness, crime rates, traffic pollution, love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 9.06am)

I envy the Scots for having the ultimate get-out clause, but dread them making the only rational decision. Can you extend the border south to the Humber, then I can move back home to Durham and be independent, too?

Edited by Pinky (21 Apr 2013 10.22am)


I'm willing to bet a 1000 pounds neither Pinky or Mc Kermit move to an Independent Scotland:)


Nor will the thousands that came down from the grey part of the UK namely, Scotland!!!........as the best thing in Scotland is the road OUT!

 

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Quote Jimenez at 21 Apr 2013 1.06pm

Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 10.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 7.11am

Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

[Link]


Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies - Chavdom , homelessness, crime rates, traffic pollution, love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 9.06am)

I envy the Scots for having the ultimate get-out clause, but dread them making the only rational decision. Can you extend the border south to the Humber, then I can move back home to Durham and be independent, too?

Edited by Pinky (21 Apr 2013 10.22am)


I'm willing to bet a 1000 pounds neither Pinky or Mc Kermit move to an Independent Scotland


Too cold.

But the worst types of patriots are the people who voluntarily cross an ocean and go to an entirely different continent yet still profess how proud they are to be English when they are nothing of the sort and don't want to come back , don't you think?


Me? Quite happy to visit the rainy mothercountry a few times a year but have the pleasant climate of the SW the rest of e time.

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 7.11am

Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies which still exist today -Chavdom , higher rates of homelessness, crime rates and traffic pollution; love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 11.01am)

If I'm not mistaken you want an independent Scotland Kermy.

In that case how can you talk about how much of a patriot Thatcher was when you're not even a unionist.

Thatcher was very patriotic and it's pure nonsense to mention otherwise. Indeed those who claim otherwise aren't in my view patriotic at all......Most of them I view very suspicously in that regard.

She didn't leave England and pay taxes elsewhere like Blair and some others, despite being wanted in America. She stayed where her heart was.

I hasten to add that's it's valid to work overseas for all sorts of reasons... but for those that decide to stay there and don't intend to come back to settle....Well....I don't like the cake and eat it stuff....If you really love a country you stick with it....As my old Irish mate use to say, plastic paddys are two a dozen.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2013 5.39pm)

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 4.30pm

Quote Jimenez at 21 Apr 2013 1.06pm

Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 10.20am

Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 7.11am

Quote Pinky at 21 Apr 2013 12.25am

Just noticed this, which articulates her unBritishness quite nicely, I think:

[Link]


Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies - Chavdom , homelessness, crime rates, traffic pollution, love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 9.06am)

I envy the Scots for having the ultimate get-out clause, but dread them making the only rational decision. Can you extend the border south to the Humber, then I can move back home to Durham and be independent, too?

Edited by Pinky (21 Apr 2013 10.22am)


I'm willing to bet a 1000 pounds neither Pinky or Mc Kermit move to an Independent Scotland


Too cold.

But the worst types of patriots are the people who voluntarily cross an ocean and go to an entirely different continent yet still profess how proud they are to be English when they are nothing of the sort and don't want to come back , don't you think?
Me? Quite happy to visit the rainy mothercountry a few times a year but have the pleasant climate of the SW the rest of e time.


Have to be very careful how I answer that one. The English Channel is not an ocean and Macedonia is on the same continent, but I dont feel a 'bad' patriot. I am still very pro British (not just English, honest). So I am sure others who have travelled further afield can claim the same. Being away also gives you a different prespective on patriotism and Britishness, as well as seeing how we are viewed by others.

I travelled 1000 miles to find a better job and, 18 years later, I dont regret it!

 

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Quote Kermit8 at 21 Apr 2013 7.11am

Nail on head. Been thinking the same thing for decades. She was no patriot. She admired the individual dog eat dog way and not the then British sense of community and fair play. She didn't really get us. A few million Brits put her on a pedestal which is simply baffling if you take the unions and Falklands out of the equation and unmask her as she really was. An iniquitous marketeer and a malignant vandal.

She divided us and, for a while, conquered us. Hopefully, her awful legacies which still exist today -Chavdom , higher rates of homelessness, crime rates and traffic pollution; love of money at the expense of many, big business having too much influence on Government policy, dumbing down, unemployment and desolation - will be radically reversed. Won't be any time soon though.

Edited by Kermit8 (21 Apr 2013 11.01am)

If I'm not mistaken you want an independent Scotland Kermy.

In that case how can you talk about how much of a patriot Thatcher was when you're not even a unionist.

Thatcher was very patriotic and it's pure nonsense to mention otherwise. Indeed those who claim otherwise aren't in my view patriotic at all......Most of them I view very suspicously in that regard.

She didn't leave England and pay taxes elsewhere like Blair and some others, despite being wanted in America. She stayed where her heart was.

I hasten to add that's it's valid to work overseas for all sorts of reasons... but for those that decide to stay there and don't intend to come back to settle....Well....I don't like the cake and eat it stuff....If you really love a country you stick with it....As my old Irish mate use to say, plastic paddys are two a dozen.

Edited by Stirlingsays (21 Apr 2013 5.39pm)


You are mistaken

 

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