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Midlands Eagle 30 Nov 19 9.58am
Originally posted by DanH Boris agreed to do Andrew Neil yet? Do what to him?
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30 Nov 19 9.58am

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Originally posted by DanH

Boris agreed to do Andrew Neil yet?

Do what to him?

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 19 10.05am
Originally posted by DanH Did you focus group that joke with your Tory chums? You seem awfully proud of it. Far from being a josh it is a very appropriate description. The lady is spreading the Labour message to the best of her ability and I don't wish her any harm. Edited by Willo (30 Nov 2019 10.08am)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 30 Nov 19 10.05am

Originally posted by DanH

Did you focus group that joke with your Tory chums? You seem awfully proud of it.

Far from being a josh it is a very appropriate description.
The lady is spreading the Labour message to the best of her ability and I don't wish her any harm.

Edited by Willo (30 Nov 2019 10.08am)

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 11.18am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes I think Scottish independence is perhaps good in a way for England etc to delay the inevitable slide into long term socialism and financial problems. Maybe when automation comes we’ll migrate to the Mediterranean or anywhere nice and warm. At least the masses saying they want freedom of movement will actually use it then rather than it being a thought in their head. Beginning to think I won’t miss not knowing the future of Britain and the world, although I wouldn’t turn down a cheeky peak. I agree.....while I'd prefer the union to stay together the reality is that once Blair provided individual governments and created another political class the push would inevitably be towards union break up. The demand for a second referendum seems out of place with opinion polls in Scotland itself and appear to be very much a SNP driven device......Which considering they stated that the first one would be 'once in a lifetime' comes across pretty badly. That said, if Scotland voted for independence I believe that it should be honoured. However, would we be getting an excuse blocking culture of 'hard independence' or 'soft independence' descriptions....Would we be hearing 'but they didn't know what they were voting for'. No, let them go because self determination for people who have lived there for thousands of years is a right. We aren't the EU and some remainers. Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2019 11.21am) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 19 11.18am

Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes I think Scottish independence is perhaps good in a way for England etc to delay the inevitable slide into long term socialism and financial problems.

Maybe when automation comes we’ll migrate to the Mediterranean or anywhere nice and warm. At least the masses saying they want freedom of movement will actually use it then rather than it being a thought in their head.

Beginning to think I won’t miss not knowing the future of Britain and the world, although I wouldn’t turn down a cheeky peak.

I agree.....while I'd prefer the union to stay together the reality is that once Blair provided individual governments and created another political class the push would inevitably be towards union break up.

The demand for a second referendum seems out of place with opinion polls in Scotland itself and appear to be very much a SNP driven device......Which considering they stated that the first one would be 'once in a lifetime' comes across pretty badly.

That said, if Scotland voted for independence I believe that it should be honoured. However, would we be getting an excuse blocking culture of 'hard independence' or 'soft independence' descriptions....Would we be hearing 'but they didn't know what they were voting for'.

No, let them go because self determination for people who have lived there for thousands of years is a right.

We aren't the EU and some remainers.

Edited by Stirlingsays (30 Nov 2019 11.21am)

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 19 11.27am
Originally posted by Rudi Hedman Yes I think Scottish independence is perhaps good in a way for England etc to delay the inevitable slide into long term socialism and financial problems. Maybe when automation comes we’ll migrate to the Mediterranean or anywhere nice and warm. At least the masses saying they want freedom of movement will actually use it then rather than it being a thought in their head. Beginning to think I won’t miss not knowing the future of Britain and the world, although I wouldn’t turn down a cheeky peak. Sadly, the future of Britain and the world is predictable. I'm not sure there will be anywhere nice left to go unless you can afford a remote tropical island.
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Originally posted by Rudi Hedman

Yes I think Scottish independence is perhaps good in a way for England etc to delay the inevitable slide into long term socialism and financial problems.

Maybe when automation comes we’ll migrate to the Mediterranean or anywhere nice and warm. At least the masses saying they want freedom of movement will actually use it then rather than it being a thought in their head.

Beginning to think I won’t miss not knowing the future of Britain and the world, although I wouldn’t turn down a cheeky peak.

Sadly, the future of Britain and the world is predictable.

I'm not sure there will be anywhere nice left to go unless you can afford a remote tropical island.

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Nov 19 11.29am
Yep, let them go and have independence, under the EU. The matter of more conservative England is more uncertain. Maybe just the cities and some towns will be like New York before zero tolerance, but then the LA problems will never be solved. COYP
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Caterham 30 Nov 19 11.29am

Yep, let them go and have independence, under the EU.

The matter of more conservative England is more uncertain. Maybe just the cities and some towns will be like New York before zero tolerance, but then the LA problems will never be solved.

COYP

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 11.42am
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Sadly, the future of Britain and the world is predictable. I'm not sure there will be anywhere nice left to go unless you can afford a remote tropical island. Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare! 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 19 11.42am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Sadly, the future of Britain and the world is predictable.

I'm not sure there will be anywhere nice left to go unless you can afford a remote tropical island.

Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare!

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 11.46am
Originally posted by Jway89 But you do believe they should be paid, just not as much yet? If women's football reaches the viewership and attendance figures of the male game, you wouldn't have a problem with them being paid the same. Equality of outcome. Doesn't even have to be the women's game. Look at someone like Andy Carroll. Was at West Ham on £90k a week, then compare his record to someone like Glen Murray, who we should never have sold. Is that fair? No, but who cares if we have to pay increased subscriptions to Sky and higher season tickets. In furtherance to my discomfort with the whole 'equality' concept here is a video from a female engineer where she also details her dislike of its ramifications....being for equality of opportunity rather than outcomes. [Link] 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 19 11.46am

Originally posted by Jway89

But you do believe they should be paid, just not as much yet?
If women's football reaches the viewership and attendance figures of the male game, you wouldn't have a problem with them being paid the same.

Equality of outcome.

Doesn't even have to be the women's game. Look at someone like Andy Carroll. Was at West Ham on £90k a week, then compare his record to someone like Glen Murray, who we should never have sold. Is that fair?
No, but who cares if we have to pay increased subscriptions to Sky and higher season tickets.

In furtherance to my discomfort with the whole 'equality' concept here is a video from a female engineer where she also details her dislike of its ramifications....being for equality of opportunity rather than outcomes.

[Link]

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Rudi Hedman Caterham 30 Nov 19 12.06pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays In furtherance to my discomfort with the whole 'equality' concept here is a video from a female engineer where she also details her dislike of its ramifications....being for equality of opportunity rather than outcomes. [Link] This comment made me laugh. ‘ If this was a boys sleepover, they would just fight over who gets to sleep on the sofa, but a girls' sleepover results in communism. This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.’ Or ‘ That doesn't sound very egalitarian to me. It sounds like a desire to not feel either guilt or jealousy resulted in an attempt to remove the guilt from the process.’ COYP
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Rudi Hedman

Caterham 30 Nov 19 12.06pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

[Link]

This comment made me laugh.

‘ If this was a boys sleepover, they would just fight over who gets to sleep on the sofa, but a girls' sleepover results in communism. This is why women shouldn't be allowed to vote.’

‘ That doesn't sound very egalitarian to me. It sounds like a desire to not feel either guilt or jealousy resulted in an attempt to remove the guilt from the process.’

COYP

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Hrolf The Ganger 30 Nov 19 12.07pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare! As long as Dan H isn't invited. He will want us all to have exactly the same sized beach huts.
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Hrolf The Ganger

30 Nov 19 12.07pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare!

As long as Dan H isn't invited.

He will want us all to have exactly the same sized beach huts.

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becky over the moon 30 Nov 19 12.20pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare! As long as we get to pick who we share with....... A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers
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over the moon 30 Nov 19 12.20pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Sounds like a good idea for a Holers holiday timeshare!

As long as we get to pick who we share with.......

A stairway to Heaven and a Highway to Hell give some indication of expected traffic numbers

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DanH SW2 30 Nov 19 12.21pm
Johnson doing Andrew Marr tomorrow instead and using yesterday as an excuse. Classy.
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SW2 30 Nov 19 12.21pm

Johnson doing Andrew Marr tomorrow instead and using yesterday as an excuse. Classy.

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Stirlingsays 30 Nov 19 1.00pm
Originally posted by becky As long as we get to pick who we share with....... Very true....I wonder who would go with old Stuk bless him. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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30 Nov 19 1.00pm

Originally posted by becky

As long as we get to pick who we share with.......

Very true....I wonder who would go with old Stuk bless him.

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