Anyone coming into Croydon for the BLM protest? If so, want to meet up?

If they’re willing to boycott the World Cup and support Marxism and the disbanding of police I’ll start to take them seriously.

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Respect.

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Very early on and it was additional, and its role has certainly been overstated and cleansed by its advocates. It also ignores that Islam itself, at that very early stage, was itself benefiting from Greek and other ancient sources.

I certainly don't remember being taught it, and I question how prominent it would be within GCSE studies, which is the majority of students: especially in comparison to the more acknowledged African slave trade, .

Agreed.....every intangible is a intellectual construct. How to feel about the past is no different.

I'm pro English and western. What you're arguing for here is impartiality and objectivity in how we view the past. Even if this were possible....and I don't really think it is. It's unreachable in the same way 'objective truth' is unreachable....there's a level, but the reality is that perspective will always win out as that is how humans are made.

In this age few aspire to serious objectivity anyway. I will argue, considering the rifts, that its worth is arguable now.

I wouldn't disagree with you that there are horrible aspects of the past that 'we' are associated with. However, as we recognise no nation escapes this and revisionism tends to the cultural zeitgeist of the day.

What is apparent in the current national discourse is that only Europeans and in this case British are being asked for this brutal self criticism, which forgets the huge strides we advanced for humanity. As a nation we should feel good about ourselves and our history should reflect that. An attempted objective re-reading of history makes that inpossible. Whereas before the left's perspective dominated education this was possible.

Essentially, what I'm saying here is that I prefer my lies to your lies....We could change the word 'lies' to perspective, but as I claim at the beginning all intangibles are subject to interpretation.

I'm saying that the 'non preference' that you state tends towards people who aren't under any threat.

I put forward that while we are all individuals we are also our genes and we have to pick a perspective and side with what is in common to us...otherwise we are rootless and 'citizens of nowhere'.....I know you categorize yourself with all humanity, which is obviously a correct perspective, however I recognise that humanity, like all species, has sub divisions, as evolution inevitably makes of all its creations.

You think tribalism is malleable, I don't....not until long into the future where technology and eugenics give us that future. I believe rushing that process produces far larger piles of bones than not.

Until that far away day the best that can be hoped for is peace between 'tribes'. I don't believe throwing all of them together, in an unfiltered form, best works for that. You can't have two big fish with teeth in the pond...the evidence for this is playing out now. Look at what the left and all the institutions are doing to whites, they are being forced to undergo a cultural gelding and debasement. If this continues it will only worsen....feck taking a knee for anyone and I say that to all humanity.

I believe these 'tribes' of whatever racial/intellectual mixture need to represent themselves and make peaceful terms between each other. As I say this doesn't have to be racial it need only be pro western....but it does involve picking sides.

Of course, there will be that rootless class who pretend they can be Ireland or the Swiss in WW2. The 'oh I'm so above it all' class who live in nice safe areas and have lost or loosened that connection to ancestral history. In reality it all depends upon how it all wraps up...as to how you're regarded. Well, perhaps not them, but their descendants anyway (though this class of individual tends to less children) as this will carry on over generations.

What you are seeing now are the opening notes of a very long tune.

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'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

In fairness I've never liked anything about Dubai. It's a shining example of everything bad in the world, apart from maybe demonstrating how people can really push beyond the known limits of engineering and city building.

Greed, repression, exploitation, shallowness, fakery.. all with a large dose of moral bankruptcy which was lapped up by a load of average ability westerners who couldn't quite crack it in their own countries, going to get paid a tax free 10x salary and be made to feel that they were doing something of worth. Hideous place. And yes, built on recent death and exploitation. But, as I said, the engineering feats they have achieved are, in some cases, astounding.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.