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Cucking Funt Clapham on the Back 02 Dec 04 2.53pm | |
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Using the total number of councillors is misleading, as it doesn't accurately reflect the number of councils controlled by whatever party. Worse, it also doesn't reflect those councils which are 'hung' (of which there are quite a few) and where the balance of power is dictated by minority parties or even individuals. And yes, I do think Blair is a Guardian reading, do-gooding left winger. The other broadsheets are generally so sceptical about him and his ideals that I can't imagine him feeling comfortable with them. For the record, I also think he's a c*nt.
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Seth On a pale blue dot 02 Dec 04 3.57pm | |
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Quote Cucking Funt at 02 Dec 2004 2:53pm
Using the total number of councillors is misleading, as it doesn't accurately reflect the number of councils controlled by whatever party. Worse, it also doesn't reflect those councils which are 'hung' (of which there are quite a few) and where the balance of power is dictated by minority parties or even individuals. And yes, I do think Blair is a Guardian reading, do-gooding left winger. The other broadsheets are generally so sceptical about him and his ideals that I can't imagine him feeling comfortable with them. For the record, I also think he's a c*nt.
If you think Blair is left-wing, I'd hate to see a right-wing government in this country. Can't you see all New Labour does is steal Tory policies & support to keep themselves in power? I think it's unlikely Blair reads any newspapers because he wouldn't have the time. Anyway, the Guardian has been very critical of him recently (especially over Iraq) so he wouldn't find a lot of comfort there either. And remember the Sun (along with other traditionally Tory papers)backed him in the last 2 elections and I don't think you could describe Rupert Murdoch as part of the PC brigade, could you?
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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 02 Dec 04 4.30pm | |
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Probably about time I stuck my neck out on this thread. Good point Seth - as I read the Independent, I can claim a certain amount of middle ground. Firstly, Cucking's extended post on the various merits of white and black culture should be attacked. White culture and white systems have dominated this country since the year dot. Teh encouragement and promotion of ethnic minority culture is an important step in continuing integration in a society not yet rid of the evil of racism. There is no need to promote white culutre - it's all around us, everywhere. And anyway, can you objectively identify 'white culture'? Ethnic minority culture is readily identifiable precisely because it is different - there are various influences from different backgrounds that create a fascinating muluticultural mix. What we need to do is to promote the fact that this combination, with all its different expression, is essentially a British culture. Culture is not static, it changes with time and experience, just as it is now. That is why we need the inovolvement of ethnic minority imput - because they are part of our society, and they have yet to become completely immersed and involved as an integral part. Hence the promotion of publications like the Voice - this exists precisely because of the inequality in this country, and when the level of inequality is reduced or eventually destroyed, there will be no need for such publications. Grr. I'm off to word games.
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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 02 Dec 04 5.18pm | |
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And what?
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tome Inner Tantalus Time. 02 Dec 04 5.44pm | |
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Define 'english culture'
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rach_cpfc South Croydon 02 Dec 04 6.27pm | |
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Quote tome at 02 Dec 2004 4:30pm
Probably about time I stuck my neck out on this thread. Good point Seth - as I read the Independent, I can claim a certain amount of middle ground. Firstly, Cucking's extended post on the various merits of white and black culture should be attacked. White culture and white systems have dominated this country since the year dot. Teh encouragement and promotion of ethnic minority culture is an important step in continuing integration in a society not yet rid of the evil of racism. There is no need to promote white culutre - it's all around us, everywhere. And anyway, can you objectively identify 'white culture'? Ethnic minority culture is readily identifiable precisely because it is different - there are various influences from different backgrounds that create a fascinating muluticultural mix. What we need to do is to promote the fact that this combination, with all its different expression, is essentially a British culture. Culture is not static, it changes with time and experience, just as it is now. That is why we need the inovolvement of ethnic minority imput - because they are part of our society, and they have yet to become completely immersed and involved as an integral part. Hence the promotion of publications like the Voice - this exists precisely because of the inequality in this country, and when the level of inequality is reduced or eventually destroyed, there will be no need for such publications. Grr. I'm off to word games. Great post tome. Stu - one of the most positive things about this country is the ethnic diversity. In fact, the mix of the these cultures tends to be better in cities as they're more metropolitan. The other thing I don't understand is the constant use by some people of "do-gooding" as something bad.
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Legal Eagle A town where fog lights shine, eve... 02 Dec 04 6.33pm | |
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I think I agree with Cucking, for a change, but only on the way The Voice proclaims itself. There is nothing wrong with promoting black culture etc etc that The Voice aims to do. If the masthead were to claim itself as promoting black culture, there would be no problem.
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Legal Eagle A town where fog lights shine, eve... 02 Dec 04 6.34pm | |
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Quote redacted Great post tome.- one of the most positive things about this country is the ethnic diversity. In fact, the mix of the these cultures tends to be better in cities as they're more metropolitan.The other thing I don't understand is the constant use by some people of "do-gooding" as something bad.What, may I ask, is wrong with trying to do good and help other people? Especially, what is wrong with trying to help someone from a different background to yours Being a teacher you probably have 'do-gooding' tendencies. 'Do-gooders' meddle in affairs which they would be better off keeping their 'dirty mitts' out of! Like, say, ourselves and the U.S. in Iraq?
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