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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 8.06am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

An 81 year old man who's undergone two operations for brain aneurysms doesn't need a cognitive test? OK.

I didn’t know you are a doctor!

Perhaps they have tested him. That’s between him and his doctors. Maybe they ran tests without telling him what they were for.

It’s none of our business. It’s his doctor’s responsibility to advise him if he is fit for duty and his decision whether he shares that with us.

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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 8.24am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by becky

Denial of their condition, or any problems at all, is very common in those with dementia, as is a refusal to seek/permit any medical investigations.

It is. The mother of my children has severe dementia. So have the wives of two of my friends. I used to own a care home for the EMI. So I am familiar with the appearance of dementia.

I see none of it in Biden. He can stumble over his words and clearly has mobility issues but not even the early signs of dementia. Asking the same question, or giving the same answer, repetitively is generally the indication.

They would be noticed by those around him in the small daily things we do. Perhaps they are there and we haven’t seen them but that’s down to his doctors, family and staff to manage. Maybe they have.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Jul 24 9.49am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I didn’t know you are a doctor!

Perhaps they have tested him. That’s between him and his doctors. Maybe they ran tests without telling him what they were for.

It’s none of our business. It’s his doctor’s responsibility to advise him if he is fit for duty and his decision whether he shares that with us.

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You're not a psychologist but that doesn't stop your diagnostic prowess with Trump.
It's a fact Biden has had two brain aneuryisms. It's a fact he's more than 10 years older than when symptoms start to become apparent and it's a fact he displays those symptoms.
If it's none of our business that the President of America might be mentally incapable then all discussion of the US political situation is none of our business either.

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Jul 24 10.13am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You're not a psychologist but that doesn't stop your diagnostic prowess with Trump.
It's a fact Biden has had two brain aneuryisms. It's a fact he's more than 10 years older than when symptoms start to become apparent and it's a fact he displays those symptoms.
If it's none of our business that the President of America might be mentally incapable then all discussion of the US political situation is none of our business either.

It is the responsibility of the VP and the cabinet to step him if they believe the President is unfit to govern. No doubt questions will be asked of Harris about her role.

 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Jul 24 10.21am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It is the responsibility of the VP and the cabinet to step him if they believe the President is unfit to govern. No doubt questions will be asked of Harris about her role.

There are similarities with Reagan, whose doctors also didn't think he needed any cognitive tests, but who was showing the signs of his eventual diagnosis while still in office,

 

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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 23 Jul 24 10.34am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

There are similarities with Reagan, whose doctors also didn't think he needed any cognitive tests, but who was showing the signs of his eventual diagnosis while still in office,

According to a recent documentary I saw he was in decline after the assassination.

And this of course is where the problem lies. For any doctor to declare a President unfit is a seismic decision which far outweighs the medical determination. Add to that it is normally the presidents personal doctor who may have known and cared for the family for many years and no wonder the doctor will be reluctant to make that call.

It's why the VP has a big role Harris should have demanded an independent panel of medical experts to verify Biden's personal doctor's opinion.

She didn't for the same reason as the doctor, politics.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 10.34am)

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 23 Jul 24 10.48am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It is the responsibility of the VP and the cabinet to step him if they believe the President is unfit to govern. No doubt questions will be asked of Harris about her role.

She's there for the biscuits and what can be unburdened by what has been.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 10.56am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Teddy Eagle

You're not a psychologist but that doesn't stop your diagnostic prowess with Trump.
It's a fact Biden has had two brain aneuryisms. It's a fact he's more than 10 years older than when symptoms start to become apparent and it's a fact he displays those symptoms.
If it's none of our business that the President of America might be mentally incapable then all discussion of the US political situation is none of our business either.

I no more diagnose the issues with Trump than with anyone else. I observe and comment on them, may speculate on the reasons, but diagnose, never. I am not competent to do that.

Let’s look at those aneurisms and perhaps dispel these malicious and uninformed rumours that are circulated by political opponents. None of whom are actually in any postition to know anything. Someone who does is Dr Kassel, who was the surgeon treating him at the time.

In a 2019 interview, Dr. Kassell said that Biden did not suffer any brain damage from the aneurysms (or the surgeries) that could come back to haunt him now, decades later. “He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Dr. Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”

He then went one step further, saying about his vote in the upcoming election: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.” That may just be one man’s opinion, but when that man is a literal brain surgeon, we’re rather inclined to listen to it.”

Of course it’s our business that any leader we choose is, and remains, in good health. Having confidence that systems are in place to ensure that, is essential. Trying to do it ourselves is not.

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 11.08am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

It is the responsibility of the VP and the cabinet to step him if they believe the President is unfit to govern. No doubt questions will be asked of Harris about her role.

Of course it is.

So we can assume there wasn’t and isn’t. No questions need asking and if they are will either be ignored or brushed aside.

Biden has withdrawn from the race to become President between 2025 and 2029. Very sensibly in my view. Having a President aged 85 or older carries too many risks, both for the country and for them.

He was chosen to serve between 2021 and 2025, and he will. That decision has been made. It’s the next President for which a choice needs to be made.

Should, for any reason, Biden’s health decline to the point where he is unable to fulfil his functions then things will change.


 


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Teddy Eagle Flag 23 Jul 24 11.13am Send a Private Message to Teddy Eagle Add Teddy Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I no more diagnose the issues with Trump than with anyone else. I observe and comment on them, may speculate on the reasons, but diagnose, never. I am not competent to do that.

Let’s look at those aneurisms and perhaps dispel these malicious and uninformed rumours that are circulated by political opponents. None of whom are actually in any postition to know anything. Someone who does is Dr Kassel, who was the surgeon treating him at the time.

In a 2019 interview, Dr. Kassell said that Biden did not suffer any brain damage from the aneurysms (or the surgeries) that could come back to haunt him now, decades later. “He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Dr. Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”

He then went one step further, saying about his vote in the upcoming election: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.” That may just be one man’s opinion, but when that man is a literal brain surgeon, we’re rather inclined to listen to it.”

Of course it’s our business that any leader we choose is, and remains, in good health. Having confidence that systems are in place to ensure that, is essential. Trying to do it ourselves is not.


Great. Now point out where I said any of those things other than that he'd had these brain operations.

 

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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 23 Jul 24 11.16am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle

I no more diagnose the issues with Trump than with anyone else. I observe and comment on them, may speculate on the reasons, but diagnose, never. I am not competent to do that.

Let’s look at those aneurisms and perhaps dispel these malicious and uninformed rumours that are circulated by political opponents. None of whom are actually in any postition to know anything. Someone who does is Dr Kassel, who was the surgeon treating him at the time.

In a 2019 interview, Dr. Kassell said that Biden did not suffer any brain damage from the aneurysms (or the surgeries) that could come back to haunt him now, decades later. “He is every bit as sharp as he was 31 years ago. I haven’t seen any change,” Dr. Kassell said. “I can tell you with absolute certainty that he had no brain damage, either from the hemorrhage or from the operations that he had. There was no damage whatsoever.”

He then went one step further, saying about his vote in the upcoming election: “I am going to vote for the candidate who I am absolutely certain has a brain that is functioning. And that narrows it down exactly to one.” That may just be one man’s opinion, but when that man is a literal brain surgeon, we’re rather inclined to listen to it.”

Of course it’s our business that any leader we choose is, and remains, in good health. Having confidence that systems are in place to ensure that, is essential. Trying to do it ourselves is not.

So the moral of the story is that Biden's doctor is a Republican?

 


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Wisbech Eagle Flag Truro Cornwall 23 Jul 24 11.34am Send a Private Message to Wisbech Eagle Add Wisbech Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

According to a recent documentary I saw he was in decline after the assassination.

And this of course is where the problem lies. For any doctor to declare a President unfit is a seismic decision which far outweighs the medical determination. Add to that it is normally the presidents personal doctor who may have known and cared for the family for many years and no wonder the doctor will be reluctant to make that call.

It's why the VP has a big role Harris should have demanded an independent panel of medical experts to verify Biden's personal doctor's opinion.

She didn't for the same reason as the doctor, politics.

Edited by Badger11 (23 Jul 2024 10.34am)

The VP cannot do that! Not on their own. It’s a cabinet decision. Who knows what went on behind closed doors? There was obviously a lot of pressure on Biden.

There was concern about Trump too during his time. Which could easily be resurrected should these tactics be tried:-

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