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southnorwoodhill 13 Nov 23 2.50pm | |
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Originally posted by doombear
The added problem is that there are few established managers who can do the business on the tightest of financial backing. Apart from Hodgson, the only one I can think of is Dyche, who in many ways seems to be a younger version of Hodgson. Precisely. And this proves my point - how else would we have ended up with Roy for nigh on five and a half seasons? Not denigrating Roy, he's possibly the only one out there who can put up with the limits he has to deal with. He's not getting any younger either, so I can't see him in the boss seat for yet another season. On the other hand, if somehow he is given another year, well then that proves the limits of our ambition, and illustrates that nobody really wants the job with all it entails. Edited by southnorwoodhill (13 Nov 2023 3.31pm)
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Rachid Rachid Rachid 13 Nov 23 8.20pm | |
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Irrespective of the PR ultimately the owners' main interest is to protect their investment and they've made that clear with how swiftly they've acted whenever our Premier League status has started to look in doubt. Whilst they deserve credit for us being here I think that Roy is the dream manager for them. With the exception of Warnock who was given the push because he wasn't up to it there appears to have been some serious friction between the Board and every other manager we've had in the last 10 years. Even Allardyce made reference to squad investment in the interview after his final game away to Man Utd. There's also been some (apparently) very messy negotiation at times. I've never been particularly anti the Board and still not but I think this summer has been a missed opportunity and if Roy had been backed properly the season could have been very exciting notwithstanding injuries.
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Swindy Bromley 13 Nov 23 8.56pm | |
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As Parish has no ambition apart from that for his beloved academy, likes to do things on the cheap and likes yes man, it will probably be that managerial giant Paddy McCarthy.
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Aray South London 13 Nov 23 11.46pm | |
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Originally posted by Swindy
As Parish has no ambition apart from that for his beloved academy, likes to do things on the cheap and likes yes man, it will probably be that managerial giant Paddy McCarthy. This is nonsense. He's had his fingers burnt on expensive (mostly Liverpool) players. How much did we waste on Benteke - was he cheap? We've got the right model now. Buy young and develop. And the academy is a no-brainer. If it produces one first team player every 2/3 years it pays for itself. And we will sell players for a couple million here and there - it all adds up. There are good managers out there that could help us progress but most of the time they dont want to come to us because they have better offers. And if they're really unproven Parish understandably feels reluctant to take the risk.
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sprites Auckland 14 Nov 23 12.38am | |
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Originally posted by Aray
This is nonsense. He's had his fingers burnt on expensive (mostly Liverpool) players. How much did we waste on Benteke - was he cheap? We've got the right model now. Buy young and develop. And the academy is a no-brainer. If it produces one first team player every 2/3 years it pays for itself. And we will sell players for a couple million here and there - it all adds up. There are good managers out there that could help us progress but most of the time they dont want to come to us because they have better offers. And if they're really unproven Parish understandably feels reluctant to take the risk. Stop speaking such common sense. We prefer hysteria around here.
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NEILLO Shoreham-by-Sea 14 Nov 23 8.18am | |
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Originally posted by Aray
This is nonsense. He's had his fingers burnt on expensive (mostly Liverpool) players. How much did we waste on Benteke - was he cheap? We've got the right model now. Buy young and develop. And the academy is a no-brainer. If it produces one first team player every 2/3 years it pays for itself. And we will sell players for a couple million here and there - it all adds up. There are good managers out there that could help us progress but most of the time they dont want to come to us because they have better offers. And if they're really unproven Parish understandably feels reluctant to take the risk. Having an Academy at least at Category 3 level is also a Premier League regulation. Brentford did of course scrap theirs a few years back.They now have to re-establish one, and they have already stated that they aim to open '' the best Academy they can '' at Category 1 level. On the subject of our next manager, I still have a hunch that Graham Potter may come into play. He appears to be on a self imposed break at the moment, but I think he will be ready to return to management next season. He lives in Hove, so Palace is the next nearest Premier League club geographically.
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Canterbury Palace Whitstable 14 Nov 23 9.10am | |
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I think the Cooper shout is probably spot on. He's doing a great job at Forest but allegedly has a bit of a frosty relationship with his chairman, who is a nutter. Would be all for him, especially as he has a lot of experience with young players which will be perfect for us. Realistically though I'm envisaging Roy signing on for another year.
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Davepalace707 Northumberland 14 Nov 23 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by Canterbury Palace
I think the Cooper shout is probably spot on. He's doing a great job at Forest but allegedly has a bit of a frosty relationship with his chairman, who is a nutter. Would be all for him, especially as he has a lot of experience with young players which will be perfect for us. Realistically though I'm envisaging Roy signing on for another year. I’m more concerned about who the next RB is than the next manager. Whoever is in charge we’ll just get opened up again and again by most of the top half teams.
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Norbury Old Git London 15 Nov 23 12.51pm | |
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Two new names to add to the list to replace Roy.
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BrentisBack Beckenham 15 Nov 23 1.28pm | |
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Originally posted by Norbury Old Git
Two new names to add to the list to replace Roy. One thing I have noticed, is that given a choice, Parish seems to go with an English name where possible, with a couple of notable exceptions. He also tends to like someone with experience of working successfully in the Premier League. This is why I would imagine we might go for an O'Niell or Cooper. Both at this stage are employed which would go against another previous requisite of the manager we go for being immediately available.
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TheBigToePunt 15 Nov 23 1.49pm | |
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Originally posted by BrentisBack
One thing I have noticed, is that given a choice, Parish seems to go with an English name where possible, with a couple of notable exceptions. He also tends to like someone with experience of working successfully in the Premier League. This is why I would imagine we might go for an O'Niell or Cooper. Both at this stage are employed which would go against another previous requisite of the manager we go for being immediately available. Correct, and for my money he is probably right to do so. Not every foreign manager is De Boer of course, but I imagine that particular experience has left a scar or two for Parish. I'd expect any prospective manager who lacks experience of the league to be asked to demonstrate significant research and understanding of the culture, what tactics work for clubs with a limited budget, what tactics get the best out of our existing players, and how they will implement those tactics quickly, without large changes to the squad. It might be good if the new man has experience of blooding youngsters, but doing it in a 'development' league like France, Holland or Belgium isn't the same as trying to do it here. When the club appointed FDB and chased Favre, Parish seemed to be looking to reinvent the wheel and become a noticeably different type of team. At that time, he talked about needing to be more proactive, especially at home. Nowadays, I would be surprised if the next manager is asked to start a revolution. Perhaps a little evolution, but not much. Someone like O'Neill would be great if Wolves bin him (they would be silly to, but they do seem a bit silly so who knows?). Edited by TheBigToePunt (15 Nov 2023 2.00pm)
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 16 Nov 23 12.33pm | |
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Seems Paddy Mac might be Oxford Utd's new manager . . . [Link]
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