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Teddy Eagle 05 Nov 23 10.25am
Originally posted by silvertop Burnley are newly promoted in the relegation zone who played the better football and were unlucky. We were uninspiring and the win took us from dreary mid table to dreary mid table. They focused on where the drama was. I have no issue. That said had we been spurs the focus would have been how ruthless they are and still win even when "ugly " etc. That's all true. But. Not one mention? Even Roy's little interview was all about Burnley. I'm shallow enough to only watch MoTD if we've got at least a point but they usually talk about goals. Not yesterday.
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05 Nov 23 10.25am

Originally posted by silvertop

Burnley are newly promoted in the relegation zone who played the better football and were unlucky.

We were uninspiring and the win took us from dreary mid table to dreary mid table.

They focused on where the drama was. I have no issue.

That said had we been spurs the focus would have been how ruthless they are and still win even when "ugly " etc.

That's all true. But. Not one mention? Even Roy's little interview was all about Burnley. I'm shallow enough to only watch MoTD if we've got at least a point but they usually talk about goals. Not yesterday.

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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Nov 23 10.39am
Noticed Andersen got man of the match again. I'm surprised as, although he was fine, I rated Johnstone and Ayew higher. I voted for Johnstone for his saves. Red and Blue Army!
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Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 05 Nov 23 10.39am

Noticed Andersen got man of the match again. I'm surprised as, although he was fine, I rated Johnstone and Ayew higher. I voted for Johnstone for his saves.

Red and Blue Army!

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adelaar Edgware 05 Nov 23 10.58am
Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer Sorry old chap, but I have to disagree with you. Ward has been very strong for us this season so far. OK, he's a tad off the pace now and he scored an unfortunate OG last week, but he's saved far more with decent positioning and tackles. A stalwart for the club. Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion, but in 11 matches you've mentioned yourself the mistakes he's made already. He should be back up at best to a young attacking full back who is willng to bomb forward and get crosses i . Wanting to stick with him at this point shows the lack of progress fans are willing to accept. Stalwart for the club he is and a fantastic servant. Knowing when to move on is also vital.
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Edgware 05 Nov 23 10.58am

Originally posted by Palace Old Geezer

Sorry old chap, but I have to disagree with you. Ward has been very strong for us this season so far. OK, he's a tad off the pace now and he scored an unfortunate OG last week, but he's saved far more with decent positioning and tackles. A stalwart for the club.

Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion, but in 11 matches you've mentioned yourself the mistakes he's made already.
He should be back up at best to a young attacking full back who is willng to bomb forward and get crosses i . Wanting to stick with him at this point shows the lack of progress fans are willing to accept.
Stalwart for the club he is and a fantastic servant. Knowing when to move on is also vital.

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southnorwoodhill 05 Nov 23 11.16am
Ward is so good these days that opposition players are instructed by their management to play the ball constantly down his side of the pitch, such is their awe at watching him perform. Now that's respect.
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Ward is so good these days that opposition players are instructed by their management to play the ball constantly down his side of the pitch, such is their awe at watching him perform. Now that's respect.

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Lanzo-Ad Lanzarote 05 Nov 23 11.29am
Originally posted by adelaar I'm wondering if you and Lanzo go to the matches or just watch the 3 minute highlights on YouTube? Those highlights made us look decent, restricting them to a few half chances and we were clinical on the break. What that doesn't show is how us fans endured us camped in our box for around 70 minutes, hardly got into the their half and when we did we couldn't get three passes together. Talk of league position also not relevant. We might flit between 8th and 14th, breaking top 7 for Europe is just too tall an order (would love to br proved wrong on that). No one is moaning, more a comment on how given we've been 10 seasons in the prem it would be nice not let us see promoted teams dominate us all game. Before any starts going on about Charlton, Curbishley and Europe etc I'm not asking for that, just to play more in their half and have some attacking impetus. Surely now that's also got to be the end for Ward. They got down his side every time. Wondering if he was only made captain because we were guaranteed that Guehi and Andersen were going to stay in the summer. Problem is now Roy feels compelled to play him. How can he after yesterday's performance? Wingers just have him on toast now. Edited by adelaar (05 Nov 2023 9.04am) Yes, i watch every game complete, on TV obviously, the gap between the quality between our players and theirs was vast, our players dont panic in possession , unlike Burnleys who continually panicked on the ball, the plan to play the way we did was limited to the quality available, when Eze and Olise are match fit we will dominate most games, 5 clean sheets in 10 league games is excellent, second only to Arsenal, 8th to 14th is a superb return for a club our size, we dont have backers willing to plough millions into the club, that is the bottom line, take a look at the championship, all of them would swap position with us, footballing and financial wise. “That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn
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Lanzarote 05 Nov 23 11.29am

Originally posted by adelaar

I'm wondering if you and Lanzo go to the matches or just watch the 3 minute highlights on YouTube? Those highlights made us look decent, restricting them to a few half chances and we were clinical on the break.
What that doesn't show is how us fans endured us camped in our box for around 70 minutes, hardly got into the their half and when we did we couldn't get three passes together.
Talk of league position also not relevant. We might flit between 8th and 14th, breaking top 7 for Europe is just too tall an order (would love to br proved wrong on that).
No one is moaning, more a comment on how given we've been 10 seasons in the prem it would be nice not let us see promoted teams dominate us all game. Before any starts going on about Charlton, Curbishley and Europe etc I'm not asking for that, just to play more in their half and have some attacking impetus.
Surely now that's also got to be the end for Ward. They got down his side every time. Wondering if he was only made captain because we were guaranteed that Guehi and Andersen were going to stay in the summer. Problem is now Roy feels compelled to play him. How can he after yesterday's performance? Wingers just have him on toast now.

Edited by adelaar (05 Nov 2023 9.04am)

Yes, i watch every game complete, on TV obviously, the gap between the quality between our players and theirs was vast, our players dont panic in possession , unlike Burnleys who continually panicked on the ball, the plan to play the way we did was limited to the quality available, when Eze and Olise are match fit we will dominate most games, 5 clean sheets in 10 league games is excellent, second only to Arsenal, 8th to 14th is a superb return for a club our size, we dont have backers willing to plough millions into the club, that is the bottom line, take a look at the championship, all of them would swap position with us, footballing and financial wise.

“That’s a joke son, I say, that’s a joke.” “Nice boy, but he’s sharp as a throw pillow.” “He’s so dumb he thinks a Mexican border pays rent” “ “Son… I say, son, some people are so narrow minded they can look through a keyhole with both eyes.”__ Forhorn Leghorn

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Nov 23 11.31am
Originally posted by adelaar Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion, but in 11 matches you've mentioned yourself the mistakes he's made already. He should be back up at best to a young attacking full back who is willng to bomb forward and get crosses i . Wanting to stick with him at this point shows the lack of progress fans are willing to accept. Stalwart for the club he is and a fantastic servant. Knowing when to move on is also vital. I wholeheartedly concur with these sentiments but at present he is undergoing a torrid time.His vast experience has been useful in terms of his positioning but alas his legs are suffering the passage of time. I had a conversation with a learned gentleman only recently about Ward and in his opinion he could well be useful ploughing his furrow in central defence in the lower reaches.
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South coast - west of Brighton. 05 Nov 23 11.31am

Originally posted by adelaar

Fair enough you're entitled to your opinion, but in 11 matches you've mentioned yourself the mistakes he's made already.
He should be back up at best to a young attacking full back who is willng to bomb forward and get crosses i . Wanting to stick with him at this point shows the lack of progress fans are willing to accept.
Stalwart for the club he is and a fantastic servant. Knowing when to move on is also vital.

I wholeheartedly concur with these sentiments but at present he is undergoing a torrid time.His vast experience has been useful in terms of his positioning but alas his legs are suffering the passage of time.

I had a conversation with a learned gentleman only recently about Ward and in his opinion he could well be useful ploughing his furrow in central defence in the lower reaches.

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palace99 New Mills 05 Nov 23 11.32am
Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad What a load of moaning whingers we have as so called fans, it was an excellent performance, defence solid as a rock, great battling performance, two great goals, Andersen and Ayew fantastic, Ayew was brilliant for the first goal, yes, we need a RB and a CF, but with Ayew, Eze and Olise back fully fit soon, i think the 10th place we are in will improve dramaticly, yes,10th, FFS you would think we were bottom three by some of the comments. i disagree. whilst the 3 points were very welcome we were shocking from the first minute and had no idea how to attack. We time wasted from kick off and once we scored - great persistence from Ayew, but shocking defending - with our only chance, we just sat back and tried to run the clock down. IMHO you need to be at games to see how things pan out - TV shows a limited view of the pitch. The top 4 , with the exception of the occasional Ayew piece of magic, is so limited. JS other than the goal was clueless and Hughes is so slow he offered nothing. Yes we have injuries but very team has injuries. All our players are millionaires with much top flight experience. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to pass the ball, move into space and maybe beat their opponent occasionally. Our away set away is so one dimensional. If a team score early e.g. Newcastle, there is no plan B.
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New Mills 05 Nov 23 11.32am

Originally posted by Lanzo-Ad

What a load of moaning whingers we have as so called fans, it was an excellent performance, defence solid as a rock, great battling performance, two great goals, Andersen and Ayew fantastic, Ayew was brilliant for the first goal, yes, we need a RB and a CF, but with Ayew, Eze and Olise back fully fit soon, i think the 10th place we are in will improve dramaticly, yes,10th, FFS you would think we were bottom three by some of the comments.

i disagree. whilst the 3 points were very welcome we were shocking from the first minute and had no idea how to attack. We time wasted from kick off and once we scored - great persistence from Ayew, but shocking defending - with our only chance, we just sat back and tried to run the clock down.

IMHO you need to be at games to see how things pan out - TV shows a limited view of the pitch. The top 4 , with the exception of the occasional Ayew piece of magic, is so limited. JS other than the goal was clueless and Hughes is so slow he offered nothing.

Yes we have injuries but very team has injuries. All our players are millionaires with much top flight experience.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to pass the ball, move into space and maybe beat their opponent occasionally.

Our away set away is so one dimensional. If a team score early e.g. Newcastle, there is no plan B.

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Elpis In a pub 05 Nov 23 11.35am
Originally posted by adelaar Being 1-0 up and having to defend in your own 20-25 yard area for the last 20 mins or so hardly constitutes 'having the game sewn up'. I must have been watching a different game to you. If that's the football you think we should be playing, I wonder how many others would agree with you. Roy would have looked at who we were playing and defending deep was the best way of not conceding .Ward was up against a 19 year old Olympic sprinter and was well off the pace running 10 yards ,having bodies covering countered the lack of pace . We never looked like we would let one in and Johnston is proving to be top keeper once more after a couple of difficult years
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In a pub 05 Nov 23 11.35am

Originally posted by adelaar

Being 1-0 up and having to defend in your own 20-25 yard area for the last 20 mins or so hardly constitutes 'having the game sewn up'. I must have been watching a different game to you. If that's the football you think we should be playing, I wonder how many others would agree with you.

Roy would have looked at who we were playing and defending deep was the best way of not conceding .Ward was up against a 19 year old Olympic sprinter and was well off the pace running 10 yards ,having bodies covering countered the lack of pace . We never looked like we would let one in and Johnston is proving to be top keeper once more after a couple of difficult years

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Putitout Oxford 05 Nov 23 11.59am
Originally posted by palace99 i disagree. whilst the 3 points were very welcome we were shocking from the first minute and had no idea how to attack. We time wasted from kick off and once we scored - great persistence from Ayew, but shocking defending - with our only chance, we just sat back and tried to run the clock down. IMHO you need to be at games to see how things pan out - TV shows a limited view of the pitch. The top 4 , with the exception of the occasional Ayew piece of magic, is so limited. JS other than the goal was clueless and Hughes is so slow he offered nothing. Yes we have injuries but very team has injuries. All our players are millionaires with much top flight experience. I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to pass the ball, move into space and maybe beat their opponent occasionally. Our away set away is so one dimensional. If a team score early e.g. Newcastle, there is no plan B. You are right we appear limited because without Eze,and Olise, that’s what we are, very limited . Any moan has to be to the club and its owners. Only having a great organiser in place and a supper work ethic amongst those limited players is the reason we have come through the first eleven games with 15 points . You say if we go behind no plan B maybe but we have kept 5 clean sheets , and conceded just 13 goals , The only games we have lost all top six, and only Newcastle hammered us, we are not alone in that experience. Every club has injuries, but every club has filled out squads to cope with that ,not ours, that’s clear ,or Olise, and Eze wouldn’t the only key to a style beyond what we see.
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Oxford 05 Nov 23 11.59am

Originally posted by palace99

Yes we have injuries but very team has injuries. All our players are millionaires with much top flight experience.

I don't think it is unreasonable to expect them to pass the ball, move into space and maybe beat their opponent occasionally.

Our away set away is so one dimensional. If a team score early e.g. Newcastle, there is no plan B.

You are right we appear limited because without Eze,and Olise, that’s what we are, very limited . Any moan has to be to the club and its owners. Only having a great organiser in place and a supper work ethic amongst those limited players is the reason we have come through the first eleven games with 15 points . You say if we go behind no plan B maybe but we have kept 5 clean sheets , and conceded just 13 goals , The only games we have lost all top six, and only Newcastle hammered us, we are not alone in that experience.
Every club has injuries, but every club has filled out squads to cope with that ,not ours, that’s clear ,or Olise, and Eze wouldn’t the only key to a style beyond what we see.

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Booted Eagle Bristol 05 Nov 23 12.16pm
Good to take 3 points yesterday and have Eze back in the fold. One pundit mentioned Burnley were sticking to their guns to gain certain relegation as a work in progress !?! Team for next week will probably be Eze full return with one of the 3 DM's making way. If Olise can make the bench like Eze this week great. Suspect starting team for the foreseable barring injuries will be 2 from Hughes, Doucore and Lerma, possibly 3 in supposed tougher oppo, and the other 4 Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Ayew and Eduoard with 1 making way and utilised as back up. The rest will have time depending on the flow of the game. Think we will have enough points on the board come Xmas not to dabble in the market, although strengthening where weak would be nice but unlikely. This season looks like shaping up to be the same as last, 10th-15th finish. “ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ” —United States Secretary of Defense, Donald Rumsfeld
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Bristol 05 Nov 23 12.16pm

Good to take 3 points yesterday and have Eze back in the fold. One pundit mentioned Burnley were sticking to their guns to gain certain relegation as a work in progress !?! Team for next week will probably be Eze full return with one of the 3 DM's making way. If Olise can make the bench like Eze this week great. Suspect starting team for the foreseable barring injuries will be 2 from Hughes, Doucore and Lerma, possibly 3 in supposed tougher oppo, and the other 4 Schlupp, Eze, Olise, Ayew and Eduoard with 1 making way and utilised as back up. The rest will have time depending on the flow of the game. Think we will have enough points on the board come Xmas not to dabble in the market, although strengthening where weak would be nice but unlikely. This season looks like shaping up to be the same as last, 10th-15th finish.

“ [T]here are known knowns; there are things we know that we know.There are known unknowns; that is to say there are things that, we now know we don't know.But there are also unknown unknowns – there are things we do not know we don't know. ”
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southnorwoodhill 05 Nov 23 12.20pm
Originally posted by Putitout You are right we appear limited because without Eze,and Olise, that’s what we are, very limited . Any moan has to be to the club and its owners. Only having a great organiser in place and a supper work ethic amongst those limited players is the reason we have come through the first eleven games with 15 points . You say if we go behind no plan B maybe but we have kept 5 clean sheets , and conceded just 13 goals , The only games we have lost all top six, and only Newcastle hammered us, we are not alone in that experience. Every club has injuries, but every club has filled out squads to cope with that ,not ours, that’s clear ,or Olise, and Eze wouldn’t the only key to a style beyond what we see. This is reasonable. We've beaten Sheffield Utd, Wolves, Burnley, all below us, and had a fine result against Manchester United. Losses have been against higher placed clubs, and draws against those teams around us. Roy will target the games against the lower teams to collect points. Roy does what Roy does, and it is what it is, a fairly uninspiring watch. The end result of which will be another season in the PL, finishing around 12th, and it will be as it ever was. This team doesn't have the depth of players to progress, and that is down to the board and finance, and the the academy not rolling out a conveyor belt of PL ready talent, well not yet anyway.
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05 Nov 23 12.20pm

Originally posted by Putitout

You are right we appear limited because without Eze,and Olise, that’s what we are, very limited . Any moan has to be to the club and its owners. Only having a great organiser in place and a supper work ethic amongst those limited players is the reason we have come through the first eleven games with 15 points . You say if we go behind no plan B maybe but we have kept 5 clean sheets , and conceded just 13 goals , The only games we have lost all top six, and only Newcastle hammered us, we are not alone in that experience.
Every club has injuries, but every club has filled out squads to cope with that ,not ours, that’s clear ,or Olise, and Eze wouldn’t the only key to a style beyond what we see.

This is reasonable. We've beaten Sheffield Utd, Wolves, Burnley, all below us, and had a fine result against Manchester United. Losses have been against higher placed clubs, and draws against those teams around us. Roy will target the games against the lower teams to collect points.
Roy does what Roy does, and it is what it is, a fairly uninspiring watch. The end result of which will be another season in the PL, finishing around 12th, and it will be as it ever was. This team doesn't have the depth of players to progress, and that is down to the board and finance, and the the academy not rolling out a conveyor belt of PL ready talent, well not yet anyway.

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Nicholas91 The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Nov 23 12.59pm
Originally posted by silvertop Burnley are newly promoted in the relegation zone who played the better football and were unlucky. We were uninspiring and the win took us from dreary mid table to dreary mid table. They focused on where the drama was. I have no issue. That said had we been spurs the focus would have been how ruthless they are and still win even when "ugly " etc. I would suggest the team that plays the ‘better football’ is the one that wins. Burnley have tried to play a ‘style’ of football that exceeds their capability and will get relegated for it. We are currently playing a ‘style’ that is pragmatic given the resource available. Until that improves, it is probably the best approach until such time we have all players fit or additions to our limited squad. It is what it is and was yesterday however, and we got the win, which immediately puts me in far better spirits. COYP Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!
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The Democratic Republic of Kent 05 Nov 23 12.59pm

Originally posted by silvertop

Burnley are newly promoted in the relegation zone who played the better football and were unlucky.

We were uninspiring and the win took us from dreary mid table to dreary mid table.

They focused on where the drama was. I have no issue.

That said had we been spurs the focus would have been how ruthless they are and still win even when "ugly " etc.

I would suggest the team that plays the ‘better football’ is the one that wins.

Burnley have tried to play a ‘style’ of football that exceeds their capability and will get relegated for it. We are currently playing a ‘style’ that is pragmatic given the resource available.

Until that improves, it is probably the best approach until such time we have all players fit or additions to our limited squad.

It is what it is and was yesterday however, and we got the win, which immediately puts me in far better spirits. COYP

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

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