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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 24 10.34am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I agree that the Reform leadership is hardly ideal or exciting. The trouble for me is that last time, UKIP did a deal with Boris not to contest in some constituencies and that has resulted in where we are now. Reform are currently polling at around 9%. The party retaining such support at the General Election let alone reaching the 13% that UKIP won at the 2015 general election, is far from guaranteed. Ben Habib's claim that there could be 12 Reform MPs is pie in the sky. I am far from convinced that Nigel Farage will play a prominent role for Reform but he might of course provide support without a shoulder to the wheel.
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Hrolf The Ganger 04 Jan 24 10.55am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
Reform are currently polling at around 9%. The party retaining such support at the General Election let alone reaching the 13% that UKIP won at the 2015 general election, is far from guaranteed. Ben Habib's claim that there could be 12 Reform MPs is pie in the sky. I am far from convinced that Nigel Farage will play a prominent role for Reform but he might of course provide support without a shoulder to the wheel. Yes, Reform needs a lot of momentum to get to where it wants. We live in strange times, and I would not like to predict how many people will take a gamble and reject the main parties. All I can say is that never in my lifetime have we had two main party leaders and their policies that were less appealing to the electorate.
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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 24 11.09am | |
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Originally posted by EverybodyDannsNow
And your completely unconditional support for a party that have screwed you and the rest of the country over time and time again is a huge reason we're in the mess we are. Edited by EverybodyDannsNow (03 Jan 2024 4.20pm) Dogmatic party followers are a dying breed. Willo would still vote Tory if they ordered the slaying of the first born. However, I feel folk are less party loyal than before. Take the 180 degree shift of the Red Wall. Is this a triumph of democracy, or does it demonstrate a capricious voting public that act as feathers for every wind that blows?
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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 24 11.11am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Yes, Reform needs a lot of momentum to get to where it wants. We live in strange times, and I would not like to predict how many people will take a gamble and reject the main parties. All I can say is that never in my lifetime have we had two main party leaders and their policies that were less appealing to the electorate.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 24 11.17am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Dogmatic party followers are a dying breed. Willo would still vote Tory if they ordered the slaying of the first born. However, I feel folk are less party loyal than before. Take the 180 degree shift of the Red Wall. Is this a triumph of democracy, or does it demonstrate a capricious voting public that act as feathers for every wind that blows? The 'Mood music' of course points to a comprehensive Labour victory based on poll ratings, however around the world there have been instances where the clear favourite has been defeated after their poll lead disappeared in the weeks leading up to a General Election. Public opinion can change in the full glare of an election campaign.At present I do not sense any great appetite for either of the main parties. Edited by Willo (04 Jan 2024 11.20am)
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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 24 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
The 'Mood music' of course points to a comprehensive Labour victory based on poll ratings, however around the world there have been instances where the clear favourite has been defeated after their poll lead disappeared in the weeks leading up to a General Election. Public opinion can change in the full glare of an election campaign. Yup, but would that be the consequence of a fickle voting public following the shiniest ad campaign (always Tory), or a largely blue voting public returning to their dogmatic norms?
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 04 Jan 24 11.24am | |
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Pi$$ Poor government. Poor opposition. and yet people have to vote for someone.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 24 11.34am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
Yup, but would that be the consequence of a fickle voting public following the shiniest ad campaign (always Tory), or a largely blue voting public returning to their dogmatic norms? I shall of course be campaigning for my party in the General Election, proudly wearing my blue rosette, trying to persuade the great and good to support the Conservatives. There are slight boundary changes in my local constituency but I full expect to see my MP re-elected given the strength of the 'Blue' vote in these parts.
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georgenorman 04 Jan 24 11.44am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I shall of course be campaigning for my party in the General Election, proudly wearing my blue rosette, trying to persuade the great and good to support the Conservatives. There are slight boundary changes in my local constituency but I full expect to see my MP re-elected given the strength of the 'Blue' vote in these parts. What have you got to be proud about the clown-car that is the current Tory party?
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 24 11.47am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
What have you got to be proud about the clown-car that is the current Tory party? This comment is not worthy of a response.
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silvertop Portishead 04 Jan 24 11.51am | |
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Originally posted by Willo
I shall of course be campaigning for my party in the General Election, proudly wearing my blue rosette, trying to persuade the great and good to support the Conservatives. There are slight boundary changes in my local constituency but I full expect to see my MP re-elected given the strength of the 'Blue' vote in these parts. I wouldn't count on it if the Libs target that seat. Liam Fox has been the MP of my constituency for a very long time, but I imagine he is very nervous. Many (including mine) of the local authorities went Lib Dem last election. As you say, anything could happen between now and then. Thus, the Tories are claiming credit for the fall in inflation (caused by world fuel prices over which they have no control) and the fall in boat people (caused by successive storms...) and I suspect the public may be duped by these assertions and a few will trickle back. However, they will not be enough. What will cause the Tories to cling on or collapse is (I am now guessing) the NHS. If they had any sense, they would settle all labour disputes as soon as possible, launch a disingenuous scheme to build more hospitals, and hold the elections in the summer when hospital corridors are not chocker with dying patients.
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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 04 Jan 24 11.59am | |
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Originally posted by silvertop
I wouldn't count on it if the Libs target that seat. Liam Fox has been the MP of my constituency for a very long time, but I imagine he is very nervous. Many (including mine) of the local authorities went Lib Dem last election. What will cause the Tories to cling on or collapse is (I am now guessing) the NHS. If they had any sense, they would settle all labour disputes as soon as possible, launch a disingenuous scheme to build more hospitals, and hold the elections in the summer when hospital corridors are not chocker with dying patients. There have been certain boundary changes in Somerset but I have no information as to whether this has affected his seat of North Somerset.This has not been fertile territory for Lib Dems over the years and in the last General Election they trailed in 3rd behind Labour.
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