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Martin Samuels puts it in perspective: Hodgson was spoilt at Palace — not the supporters Now Roy Hodgson has entered the fray by telling disgruntled Crystal Palace fans they have been spoilt. No, they haven’t; but he was, last season, when he took the job. Hodgson’s predecessor, Patrick Vieira, had just completed the fixture sequence from hell when he was sacked, a run of 11 league matches with only a single game against a team who weren’t in the top eight, or part of the failed European Super League elite. When Hodgson took over he had every one of the bottom eight clubs to play, in a sequence that had yielded 16 points earlier in the season. Hodgson started with three straight wins — against every club in the bottom three, all of whom would be relegated. And he took 16 points, the same as Vieira, from that run of games, while appearing a freewheeling football genius. So, yes, he was spoilt, and this campaign was always going to be different. Hodgson has lost the tough fixtures — all bar the game away to Manchester United — and a few of the tamer ones too. In other words, back to reality. Vieira wasn’t playing Eberechi Eze, a mistake Hodgson rightly corrected, and Wilfried Zaha was always going to be a loss. Yet given the challenges Vieira faced, the outcomes have not been greatly different. Hodgson has said he regretted his comments, which at least shows a degree of awareness about his big break last season.
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He's pushes players too hard in training that's why we have so many injuries. SP needs to replace him ASAP
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Originally posted by Uphill
Martin Samuels puts it in perspective: Hodgson was spoilt at Palace — not the supporters Now Roy Hodgson has entered the fray by telling disgruntled Crystal Palace fans they have been spoilt. No, they haven’t; but he was, last season, when he took the job. Hodgson’s predecessor, Patrick Vieira, had just completed the fixture sequence from hell when he was sacked, a run of 11 league matches with only a single game against a team who weren’t in the top eight, or part of the failed European Super League elite. When Hodgson took over he had every one of the bottom eight clubs to play, in a sequence that had yielded 16 points earlier in the season. Hodgson started with three straight wins — against every club in the bottom three, all of whom would be relegated. And he took 16 points, the same as Vieira, from that run of games, while appearing a freewheeling football genius. So, yes, he was spoilt, and this campaign was always going to be different. Hodgson has lost the tough fixtures — all bar the game away to Manchester United — and a few of the tamer ones too. In other words, back to reality. Vieira wasn’t playing Eberechi Eze, a mistake Hodgson rightly corrected, and Wilfried Zaha was always going to be a loss. Yet given the challenges Vieira faced, the outcomes have not been greatly different. Hodgson has said he regretted his comments, which at least shows a degree of awareness about his big break last season. A load of bollocks. Vieira managed a team with the worst distance covered stats in the Premier League and marginalised a player who's turned out to be our most talented attacker and goalscorer. Forest were rock bottom when we lost to them and the boxing day performance at home to Fulham was horrific. We lost 3-0 and our goalkeeper was our best player. Most of the top half teams underperformed with exception of City, Arsenal and Newcastle and we lost twice to Chelsea who we eventually finished above.
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Eze started both the Forest and Fulham matches being substituted after 60 and 78 minutes as he was struggling. Not surprising considering he was still recovering after a horrendous injury after a Roy training session. Nonetheless Vieira played him in every match, some as a sub. It was in fact Roy who dropped him completely from the squad because “he has to learn how to defend”. When, I suspect, Parish learned that his £20m acquisition was was twiddling his thumbs with the Juniors he was hurriedly reinstated. Eze, knowing he had the blessing of the bosses, decided to ignore Roy and play in mid-field. The rest is history.
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Originally posted by Norbury Old Git
Eze started both the Forest and Fulham matches being substituted after 60 and 78 minutes as he was struggling. Not surprising considering he was still recovering after a horrendous injury after a Roy training session. Nonetheless Vieira played him in every match, some as a sub. It was in fact Roy who dropped him completely from the squad because “he has to learn how to defend”. When, I suspect, Parish learned that his £20m acquisition was was twiddling his thumbs with the Juniors he was hurriedly reinstated. Eze, knowing he had the blessing of the bosses, decided to ignore Roy and play in mid-field. The rest is history. And Eze, thought all of Roy’s mistreatment, was what helped him to a full England cap.
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An observation... Based on the current Premier League form guide (last 6 games) Liverpool, Everton and Bournemouth are the top three. My view is that we were on top most of the game against Everton and every time they went forward the seemed to score. It didn't feel like a poor performance. Luton, certainly not at our stella best, but I think were were rattled after losing two key players within 90 seconds. We had chances and didn't take them. They did. Bournemouth - felt like a dire performance at the time as we all expected we'd beat them, but Bournemouth are currently on a roll. Is it a case of Bournemouth actually played very well and deserve credit? Again, we probably had more chances than they did and the result might have been different. Liverpool - given we could barely field 11 players, I thought it was our best performance of the season and the effort from the players showed they are clearly behind Roy. Point is, we've come up against teams in good form whilst we're carrying significant injuries. We are losing games to fine margins. Roy ain't the problem, that was proved in the Liverpool match. I've no doubt we'll start picking up wins when key players return. I'd be very worried about relegation if Roy got the boot - no one can drill a team like he can. We all want expansive exciting football but that won't happen unless we've got both Eze and Olise on the pitch. No manager can conjure up flair players from nowhere.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
An observation... Based on the current Premier League form guide (last 6 games) Liverpool, Everton and Bournemouth are the top three. My view is that we were on top most of the game against Everton and every time they went forward the seemed to score. It didn't feel like a poor performance. Luton, certainly not at our stella best, but I think were were rattled after losing two key players within 90 seconds. We had chances and didn't take them. They did. Bournemouth - felt like a dire performance at the time as we all expected we'd beat them, but Bournemouth are currently on a roll. Is it a case of Bournemouth actually played very well and deserve credit? Again, we probably had more chances than they did and the result might have been different. Liverpool - given we could barely field 11 players, I thought it was our best performance of the season and the effort from the players showed they are clearly behind Roy. Point is, we've come up against teams in good form whilst we're carrying significant injuries. We are losing games to fine margins. Roy ain't the problem, that was proved in the Liverpool match. I've no doubt we'll start picking up wins when key players return. I'd be very worried about relegation if Roy got the boot - no one can drill a team like he can. We all want expansive exciting football but that won't happen unless we've got both Eze and Olise on the pitch. No manager can conjure up flair players from nowhere.
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Originally posted by Goal Machine
An observation... Based on the current Premier League form guide (last 6 games) Liverpool, Everton and Bournemouth are the top three. My view is that we were on top most of the game against Everton and every time they went forward the seemed to score. It didn't feel like a poor performance. Luton, certainly not at our stella best, but I think were were rattled after losing two key players within 90 seconds. We had chances and didn't take them. They did. Bournemouth - felt like a dire performance at the time as we all expected we'd beat them, but Bournemouth are currently on a roll. Is it a case of Bournemouth actually played very well and deserve credit? Again, we probably had more chances than they did and the result might have been different. Liverpool - given we could barely field 11 players, I thought it was our best performance of the season and the effort from the players showed they are clearly behind Roy. Point is, we've come up against teams in good form whilst we're carrying significant injuries. We are losing games to fine margins. Roy ain't the problem, that was proved in the Liverpool match. I've no doubt we'll start picking up wins when key players return. I'd be very worried about relegation if Roy got the boot - no one can drill a team like he can. We all want expansive exciting football but that won't happen unless we've got both Eze and Olise on the pitch. No manager can conjure up flair players from nowhere.
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Originally posted by Booted Eagle
My concern presently is that Roy, like Pardew previously, is a pragmatic manager and may get "more slack" from the management like him in terms of change due to his stature at the club. That said Pardew had the FA cup run and more points in the bank than Roy, so his possible departure may come quicker. I've never heard Pardew described as '' pragmatic ''. In fact I think he's the opposite. There's a lot of speculation about Roy's position, which if you take results in isolation, is understandable. Look a little deeper and the wasted summer transfer window and the number of injuries to an already thin squad has lead to the current predicament. Roy isn't perfect, and the way he is at the moment I suspect he wishes he had bowed out on a relative high at the end of last season. Instead he's been sold a pup by Freedman and Parish.
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Originally posted by NEILLO
I've never heard Pardew described as '' pragmatic ''. In fact I think he's the opposite. There's a lot of speculation about Roy's position, which if you take results in isolation, is understandable. Look a little deeper and the wasted summer transfer window and the number of injuries to an already thin squad has lead to the current predicament. Roy isn't perfect, and the way he is at the moment I suspect he wishes he had bowed out on a relative high at the end of last season. Instead he's been sold a pup by Freedman and Parish. Definitely!! you couldn’t get managers with such a different approach, Pardew even said when he took over from Warnock he was taking the shackles off and was going to use the quality and pace we had going forward more i.e. Wilf. Pardews palace was the worst defensively since we’ve been promoted Edited by monkey (14 Dec 2023 5.58pm)
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There’s an interesting and extensive McArthur interview during which he discusses his Palace career. Pardew’s career has gone downhill subsequently, and this is not a nostalgia trip to bring him back or anything as nonsensical as that.
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Pardew had a 40% win record and for a while we were so exciting to watch, but that gradually became terrifying to watch. I really liked it when he was with us, but he clearly was limited as a manager and when the motivation wore off the cracks started to appear. That 5-4 loss to Swansea will live long in my nightmares!
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