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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 23 8.06am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by dreamwaverider

Thanks for the link.

According to the information available online so far, it is Eagle Football that will be looking to go public via a SPAC not just Lyon.

This is not good news for Palace, not good news at all.

SPACS in their short history as flotation vehicles do not have good track records.

Textor has now shown his colours and this is not good.

At this stage Eagle Football only have a minority share in Palace.

Hopefully our other shareholders will not sell out to them but who knows.

Foley, new owner at Bournemouth has got a very dubious record with SPACs. He took Paysafe public via a SPAC that has subsequently tanked. He secured massive fees for his services.

Apparently, he too is looking to do something similar with his growing collection of sports clubs.

Textor was or is part of Fubo, another American public company that has tanked in value.

Looks like we are caught up in something that does not bode well at all.

I’m sure more detail will be revealed soon.


Edited by dreamwaverider (27 Jan 2023 1.25am)

Been saying this for a while I don't trust Textor pump and dump is his game. I still hope I am wrong.

 


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Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Jan 23 8.32am Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Been saying this for a while I don't trust Textor pump and dump is his game.

That's very unfair as we would be deep in the brown stuff if it wasn't for the £90m that he injected into the club that allowed us to buy the players that we are now so reliant on.

It isn't just you as there seems to be loads of fans on both Palace forums that are happy to work on guilty until proven innocent

 

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Lanzo-Ad Flag Lanzarote 27 Jan 23 8.45am Send a Private Message to Lanzo-Ad Add Lanzo-Ad as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's very unfair as we would be deep in the brown stuff if it wasn't for the £90m that he injected into the club that allowed us to buy the players that we are now so reliant on.

It isn't just you as there seems to be loads of fans on both Palace forums that are happy to work on guilty until proven innocent

Agreed, a SPAC isn't necessarily a bad thing, it is what the long term purpose is, a SPAC is quicker to complete than an IPO

 


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Badger11 Flag Beckenham 27 Jan 23 8.58am Send a Private Message to Badger11 Add Badger11 as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

That's very unfair as we would be deep in the brown stuff if it wasn't for the £90m that he injected into the club that allowed us to buy the players that we are now so reliant on.

It isn't just you as there seems to be loads of fans on both Palace forums that are happy to work on guilty until proven innocent

Yup you are correct. I have been a fan for too long to accept owners at face value, they have to prove themselves.

Blitzer and Harris have done bugger all for the club apart from buying out the other shareholders they seem to have put very little into the club.

I agree Textor has put money in but is his aim to flip the club and walk away with a nice profit.

All speculation but there are plenty of chancers in the football world, just ask Charlton fans. They are currently on their 3/4 bad owner who has brought in a shyster to sell the club and the potential new owners appear even worse.

Charlton a well managed mid table PL club 10 years ago it a can all go quickly wrong.

 


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ASCPFC Flag Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Jan 23 11.12am Send a Private Message to ASCPFC Add ASCPFC as a friend

As far as I'm aware we have 10s of millions of shareholder loans and an original bank loan that we service monthly. We make our payments but that on top of the wage bill, means we're skint.
No one "gave" us money - it was in the form of loans. Low interest and long enough term, but still loans.
My issue is our wage bill: there are much better players at plenty of clubs getting less. Wages of average, never used, players too high. Killing us financially.

 


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NEILLO Flag Shoreham-by-Sea 27 Jan 23 11.41am Send a Private Message to NEILLO Add NEILLO as a friend

Originally posted by Badger11

Yup you are correct. I have been a fan for too long to accept owners at face value, they have to prove themselves.

Blitzer and Harris have done bugger all for the club apart from buying out the other shareholders they seem to have put very little into the club.

I agree Textor has put money in but is his aim to flip the club and walk away with a nice profit.

All speculation but there are plenty of chancers in the football world, just ask Charlton fans. They are currently on their 3/4 bad owner who has brought in a shyster to sell the club and the potential new owners appear even worse.

Charlton a well managed mid table PL club 10 years ago it a can all go quickly wrong.

No need to ask anyone - we had Goldberg and Jordan !

Harris and Blitzer have provided sufficient funds to get us to where we were 18 months ago. Textor has injected more money into the club, but while we know that H and B want out, his long term intentions are unclear. I don’t think he has any intention of flipping the club. The way he is setting himself up via Eagle Football / Iconic Sports suggests at least medium term investment. And there will be an expectation that the investment grows, which it clearly won’t if Palace stagnate and don’t try to improve on the playing side.

If it happens and Textor becomes the owner of our club it is a journey into the unknown. But it doesn’t necessarily have to be a bad thing.

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 27 Jan 23 11.47am Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

...if it wasn't for the £90m that he injected into the club that allowed us to buy the players that we are now so reliant on.

I'm not clear why people say this, because they make it sound like Textor somehow benevolently rode in on a white horse and donated £90 million to the listing charity that is CPFC.

He didn't "donate" any money to the club. He simply bought £90 million pounds worth of shares at their market value, and the club's board decided it would use the sum he invested to buy players. What Textor did was nothing more and nothing less than execute an investment or trade. He spent some money in order to buy a percentage shareholding in the club.

Why, thus, would anyone give credit to an investor for doing what investors do?

 


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sydtheeagle Flag England 27 Jan 23 12.13pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by NEILLO

No need to ask anyone - we had Goldberg and Jordan !

Harris and Blitzer have provided sufficient funds to get us to where we were 18 months ago. Textor has injected more money into the club, but while we know that H and B want out, his long term intentions are unclear. I don’t think he has any intention of flipping the club. The way he is setting himself up via Eagle Football / Iconic Sports suggests at least medium term investment. And there will be an expectation that the investment grows, which it clearly won’t if Palace stagnate and don’t try to improve on the playing side.

If it happens and Textor becomes the owner of our club it is a journey into the unknown. But it doesn’t necessarily have to be a bad thing.

Again, Neillo, we're generally on the same page. The one fly in the appointment that is a little worrying is the emergence of the SPAC stories which, if that is the road Textor is going down with Eagle Football, doesn't prove that his long-term intentions are worrying but does suggest we ought to be more alert than we have been to date because there's lots of evidence that SPACS tend to be the preferred vehicles of get rich quick merchants who don't much care about their underlying investments but, rather, are after a quick profit. That makes me a little more cautious about giving Textor the benefit of the doubt than I have been up to this point.

For those who aren't versed in financial instruments and WITHOUT wanting to be condescending, it's probably worth spelling out what a SPAC is, because it's a term you might be hearing more often in the future in reference to Palace. So...

SPAC is an acronym for Special Purpose Acquisition Company. Broadly, it works like this:

Traditionally, when a private company wants to raise funds (usually to support expansion, such as buying more or better players if the company is a football club) it goes public which means becoming a listed company on the stock market, via a share sale. The money it raises by selling its shares is then invested back into the business freeing up cash to support expanded operations. In theory, this investment is attractive to investors because it increases the value of the business, thus increasing how much the shares are worth.

The company goes public through a lengthy and difficult process known as an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This involves things like exposing its books to scrutiny, etc. and generally lifting the kimono so prospective investors can fully understand what they're buying into. The IPO process costs the company money, takes time, and does not always result in success. You could be rejected for a variety of reasons before the listing even takes place. So what if you could find a way to go public, but avoid an IPO? That's where SPACs come in.

SPACs (sometimes known as "blank cheque companies" are essentially listed shell companies formed only to create a vehicle that can then subsequently merge with a private company enabling the private (target) company to go public without a traditional IPO or direct listing. As such, the private company can be taken into public ownership without any of the IPO processes noted in the preceding paragraph, and therefore it can go public quickly and cheaply compared to an IPO, getting its hands on the money it wants with extremely limited due diligence.

The issue with SPACS is thus that the knowledge available to investors at the time of investment is very, very limited (for the reasons above - there's been minimal due diligence prior to the listing, making SPACs an easy vehicle for canny or even unscrupulous investors to exploit and abuse. IPO investors know all about the company in which they have invested, whereas SPAC investors have almost no knowledge of the company they are going to invest in; they are more or less investing only in the founders’ ability (in this case, the founder is John Textor) to find a profitable acquisition (in this case, the football clubs he buys via Eagle Football group).

As Neillo has said before, and I've agreed with him, on balance I'm inclined to cautiously support Textor's interest in Palace based on what we've known about him to date. But I have to say the SPAC stories do make me a little more wary about his intentions. It would be wrong to say that "all SPACS are bad and the fact that Textor appears to be interested in going down that road guarantees doom for Palace". But it would also be foolhardy not to take note, and be aware that his approach does hold the possibility of blowing up in our faces.

 


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rollercoaster Flag Cornwall 27 Jan 23 1.25pm Send a Private Message to rollercoaster Add rollercoaster as a friend

Thanks Syd, clear and concise for those of us who didn't know.

 

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Midlands Eagle Flag 27 Jan 23 2.02pm Send a Private Message to Midlands Eagle Add Midlands Eagle as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

I'm not clear why people say this, because they make it sound like Textor somehow benevolently rode in on a white horse and donated £90 million to the listing charity that is CPFC.

He didn't "donate" any money to the club. He simply bought £90 million pounds worth of shares at their market value, and the club's board decided it would use the sum he invested to buy players. What Textor did was nothing more and nothing less than execute an investment or trade. He spent some money in order to buy a percentage shareholding in the club.

Why, thus, would anyone give credit to an investor for doing what investors do?

Wow, what a mealy mouthed response. I said that we would have been in the sh1t if Textor hadn't come along and injected £90m into the club and the reason that I said it was because it was true.

The word "donate" was neither used nor implied by me

 

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sydtheeagle Flag England 27 Jan 23 3.24pm Send a Private Message to sydtheeagle Add sydtheeagle as a friend

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Wow, what a mealy mouthed response. I said that we would have been in the sh1t if Textor hadn't come along and injected £90m into the club and the reason that I said it was because it was true.

The word "donate" was neither used nor implied by me

You are right about "donate" so apologies if it appeared that I attributed it to you.

Nevertheless, to claim that "we would be in the s***" were it not for Textor is nothing more than leaping to conclusions. You don't know that. Nor do I. Certainly, his money was useful and allowed us to acquire players. Also true is that Harris and Blitzer are billionaires who were disinclined to use their own money for that purpose.

Nevertheless, had an investor in the form of Textor or anyone else not appeared, you don't know (and none of us will ever know) if Harris and Blitzer would not have reached into their own pockets to fund those deals. Likely, they would have. It seems reasonable to assume that a billionaire investor has a plan B at all times. Plan A was to find external investment (which, in Textor, they found so their plan was successful). Had Plan A failed, Plan B was highly likely to fund the club themselves. It's not like they couldn't have afforded to do so, and it's also not like they were going to let their multi-million pound investment in Palace go to the wall.

By the way, though you said "injected" rather than "donated" I still don't like the word because it implies Textor benevolently gave the club a shot in the arm. Just like you and I when we buy a shirt in the club shop (and, in the process, give a cash injection to the club) he handed over money to buy something; in this case shares. Personally, I don't see my season ticket or club shirt purchase as a cash injection for Palace; I see it as a purchase for me. I don't think we should be cheering Textor for doing what every investor does.

 


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dreamwaverider Flag London 27 Jan 23 4.47pm Send a Private Message to dreamwaverider Add dreamwaverider as a friend

Originally posted by sydtheeagle

Again, Neillo, we're generally on the same page. The one fly in the appointment that is a little worrying is the emergence of the SPAC stories which, if that is the road Textor is going down with Eagle Football, doesn't prove that his long-term intentions are worrying but does suggest we ought to be more alert than we have been to date because there's lots of evidence that SPACS tend to be the preferred vehicles of get rich quick merchants who don't much care about their underlying investments but, rather, are after a quick profit. That makes me a little more cautious about giving Textor the benefit of the doubt than I have been up to this point.

For those who aren't versed in financial instruments and WITHOUT wanting to be condescending, it's probably worth spelling out what a SPAC is, because it's a term you might be hearing more often in the future in reference to Palace. So...

SPAC is an acronym for Special Purpose Acquisition Company. Broadly, it works like this:

Traditionally, when a private company wants to raise funds (usually to support expansion, such as buying more or better players if the company is a football club) it goes public which means becoming a listed company on the stock market, via a share sale. The money it raises by selling its shares is then invested back into the business freeing up cash to support expanded operations. In theory, this investment is attractive to investors because it increases the value of the business, thus increasing how much the shares are worth.

The company goes public through a lengthy and difficult process known as an Initial Public Offering (IPO). This involves things like exposing its books to scrutiny, etc. and generally lifting the kimono so prospective investors can fully understand what they're buying into. The IPO process costs the company money, takes time, and does not always result in success. You could be rejected for a variety of reasons before the listing even takes place. So what if you could find a way to go public, but avoid an IPO? That's where SPACs come in.

SPACs (sometimes known as "blank cheque companies" are essentially listed shell companies formed only to create a vehicle that can then subsequently merge with a private company enabling the private (target) company to go public without a traditional IPO or direct listing. As such, the private company can be taken into public ownership without any of the IPO processes noted in the preceding paragraph, and therefore it can go public quickly and cheaply compared to an IPO, getting its hands on the money it wants with extremely limited due diligence.

The issue with SPACS is thus that the knowledge available to investors at the time of investment is very, very limited (for the reasons above - there's been minimal due diligence prior to the listing, making SPACs an easy vehicle for canny or even unscrupulous investors to exploit and abuse. IPO investors know all about the company in which they have invested, whereas SPAC investors have almost no knowledge of the company they are going to invest in; they are more or less investing only in the founders’ ability (in this case, the founder is John Textor) to find a profitable acquisition (in this case, the football clubs he buys via Eagle Football group).

As Neillo has said before, and I've agreed with him, on balance I'm inclined to cautiously support Textor's interest in Palace based on what we've known about him to date. But I have to say the SPAC stories do make me a little more wary about his intentions. It would be wrong to say that "all SPACS are bad and the fact that Textor appears to be interested in going down that road guarantees doom for Palace". But it would also be foolhardy not to take note, and be aware that his approach does hold the possibility of blowing up in our faces.

Great post Syd.

Really helped to clear my head on this subject. Although being nervous and negative due to a hit I took on a Bill Foley SPAC, you are absolutely on the money.

Here's hoping wherever Textor is heading works for the Palace.

 

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