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Hrolf The Ganger 07 Jun 22 7.20pm | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'The UK rated the country least likely to honour its treaty obligations and commitments'. That's a bit like saying that, internationally, the UK is a pain in the a***e you should avoid dealing with. Hence matters like the USA trade deal, the NI protocol have a major drawback for the USA and EU. Trusting us, and in particular, a PM with no integrity. Boris is here to stay for a while. Boo hoo! Sadly, he is the best PM available...Except maybe for Nigel Farage.
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Stirlingsays 07 Jun 22 7.33pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Boris is here to stay for a while. Boo hoo! Sadly, he is the best PM available...Except maybe for Nigel Farage. We would certainly be a lot better off in many metrics if that were the case.
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 08 Jun 22 7.41am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Boris is here to stay for a while. Boo hoo! Sadly, he is the best PM available...Except maybe for Nigel Farage. Maybe you’re right, which shows how sh1t the choice is.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Jun 22 8.01am | |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
'The UK rated the country least likely to honour its treaty obligations and commitments'. That's a bit like saying that, internationally, the UK is a pain in the a***e you should avoid dealing with. Hence matters like the USA trade deal, the NI protocol have a major drawback for the USA and EU. Trusting us, and in particular, a PM with no integrity. Is that from a survey? If so a survey of who. Have they asked world leaders or a bunch of spotty lefties. Ask the people of the Ukraine how they feel about the UK standing up to its obligations. I have actually met some Ukrainian refugees in Romania they were fulsome in their praise of the UK. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.03am)
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Matov 08 Jun 22 8.16am | |
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To be fair, the label 'Perfidious Albion' has hung around the neck of this septic Isle for centuries. In the world of diplomacy, the accepted view is that the UK has neither friends nor enemies. Only interests. The UK plc is the world's biggest organised crime family. Neither good nor bad, just as it is.
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Badger11 Beckenham 08 Jun 22 8.20am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
To be fair, the label 'Perfidious Albion' has hung around the neck of this septic Isle for centuries. In the world of diplomacy, the accepted view is that the UK has neither friends nor enemies. Only interests. Good point which applies to pretty much every other country. The biggest breaker of EU rules are the French who complain the loudest when we do the same, it's self interest. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.21am)
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Matov 08 Jun 22 8.35am | |
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Originally posted by Badger11
Good point which applies to pretty much every other country. The biggest breaker of EU rules are the French who complain the loudest when we do the same, it's self interest. Edited by Badger11 (08 Jun 2022 8.21am)
Plus, and this might enrage some, but the reality is that being English does mean something still. The people who matter in the world speak our language. Our culture, for good and bad, impacts on almost every nation in the world. If an alien was to observe the world and write its history, then Britain would deserve a chapter all of its own, along with mention in many, many others. And that don't happen without being utter f***ing c***s along the way. The clever bit is how the world still seems to fawn over our Royal Family and so on. Genius really.
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BlueJay UK 08 Jun 22 8.39am | |
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BlueJay UK 08 Jun 22 8.45am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Boris is here to stay for a while. Boo hoo! Most likely. Still pretty much a coin toss as to whether he'll be gone this year or hang on until an election. At least then the people can decide.
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silvertop Portishead 08 Jun 22 11.06am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
Well I would have to disagree with you (edit-about the exciting bit) Of course, I have my theory about Labours second referendum stance being primarily about a way of ensuring Corybn never reached number 10, primarily in light of how well he did in 2017. But lets say that during that period of time, a 'Governement of National Unity' had emerged, as was the want of many Remainers. Now they would have had to hold it together long enough to pass the necessary legislation to get the second referendum held. Probably about a 6 month gap. So assuming this farce comes into play in November 2019, you probably have the second referendum in the May. Of course nobody could have predicted Covid so lets leave that to one side. So you have your second referendum ahead with a Corbyn led coalition barely able to do anything else. The only issue is Brexit. Now I know for a fact that the policy towards any second referendum from the likes of Farage and so on would have been a boycott. After all, what would be the point? If your vote could be ignored the once, why bother voting again? But come the May, we the vote. And its probably a less than 40% turn out. Remain win it but perhaps with less than 17.2 million votes that Leave got in 2016. What is actually decided? Does the issue go away? Or does the country erupt? And in any future election, as we saw in December 2019, the Tories would have hammered away at the issue, and quite rightly so. Throw in Covid itself, and lockdowns, and maybe an attempt to kick this ludicrous second referendum down the road (and to be fair, there might have been some valid reasons for that at the time) and the UK possibly fractures forever. Genuine real-world consequences. Deaths. Violence across the country. I would have fought. In every sense of the word. I don't write that as hyperbole or boasting but as actual, cold, fact. Would have been trying to burn Parliament down. Willing to go to prison or even put my own life on the line. Again, people can feel free to mock this stance as macho posturing but I would be willing to look anybody in the eye and repeat my claims. Thankfully it never happened but our politicians risked this. I don't see it as exciting. I see it as playing with fire. Edited by Matov (07 Jun 2022 6.13pm) ...While I am struggling to think of a more exciting scenario, although not the good type. That said...
Your prediction of political polarization is well founded though. The rise of the populist, ultra right, English nationalist movement is a genuine threat and they have a reasonable chance of government as a reaction to reversing the referendum or overturning it through a new vote. The Tories will split into the 2 factions that already exist and the right will consume the little parties like Heritage to secure government. For one term. The trouble is, you can only put the lunatics in charge once before even their thickest supporter realizes they can't deliver on anything save throwing a few thousand dark skinned people out. Thereafter, the Union will survive and politics will drift back to Centrist sensible dullery and we will all wonder whether we dreamt it.
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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 08 Jun 22 11.06am | |
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The uneasy feeling I have is that (if you believe polls) there seems to be a small majority of voters want Johnson gone, or at least wouldn't vote for him again. The electorate have changed their minds, and want BJ gone. When will this happen in this so-called democracy?
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steeleye20 Croydon 08 Jun 22 2.15pm | |
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'I have only alienated 148 of colleagues because of the huge things I have done'. BJ obviously referring to the size of the puking and vomiting and of course partying at Westminster a testament to his stewardship of the country. And of course he is an excellent war leader in the Churchill mode, it's just that we are not actually at war itself.
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