When those agreements were starting to be made it was at a time when we had handfuls of people escaping communist oppression in Eastern Europe. The lawmakers did not envisage mass migration from across the world.

As Spiderman has pointed out the overwhelming majority of migrants are not asylum seekers but due to the sheer volume they are never returned.

The definition of Asylum seeker has also been watered down by our courts it was supposed to be for political opponents who faced death or imprisonment in their home country. Today if you are from Jamaica (A democratic country) and gay you can claim asylum.

The definition of Asylum needs to be re-defined and targetted at genuine political refugees and not at anyone who would have a hard life back home.

But the question still is how do you stop criminal gangs and economic migrants abusing the asylum system whilst allowing genuine cases to remain.

I have previously said I am not convinced that this Rwanda deal is the right solution that said Priti Patel is correct when she asks all her critics what's their solution? They have no answer, apparently Labour's policy is closer co-operation with the French which has not worked up till now despite the millions of pounds we have paid them.

The truth is that most of the loudest voices don't want any controls at all so no solution will ever be desirable in their eyes.

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Labour happy with this. Ill educated unemployable citizens are representative of their core voters !

You know I agree with you on climate change, but the banking crisis did cause a reduction in housing - especially at the poorer end - and a reduction in investment in health.

I know you have not said it, but others have. Labour did not have a policy on mass immigration. This conspiracy nut stuff about them getting in immigrants to boost their vote is pure tosh. They just had a big problem and did little effective about it. So, they spent their money elsewhere.

Meanwhile, they have been out of power for some time. The Tories just won a landslide on a populist block the immigrants manifesto. All they appear to have done is discourage literate, skilled Europeans from coming here. Poor form too I would say.

The international community has no interest in solving this problem they much prefer to pass the problem onto other countries further down the line.

So Greece / Italy / Balkan countries allow the migrants free passage through there countries to dump the problem on France and Germany. The French are happy to pass it onto to us otherwise they would not allow these illegal migrant camps and would process these people and either give them residency or deport them.

Unfortunately we are at the end of the line so can't dump the problem on someone else so we have to come up with a solution. The others countries will watch and wait and if it works will no doubt copy it.

That all may be true, but we cannot change international conventions on our own. We have no realistic choice other than to work within them, and then argue for change. An argument which would be much stronger when made together with allies, such as could be found within the EU. Allies who now see us differently.

Dealing with the criminal gangs is indeed the major issue and one that most demands European wide co-operation to overcome. Especially with the French, who have their own problems and are known, for good reason, to be perfidious in these matters.

Us taking a hard line with gays from Jamaica is not going to stop any rubber boats full of North African economic migrants. Nor are the French, unless they are required to do so.

How many are there in Cornwall, not many Ill bet, from what I saw last week there are very very few......if any !!

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