All of my contributions to the thread have been in the same tone. Yours have called those who disagree, idiots. Where the law of the land (especially around finances) is by the rich for the rich, it should be subject to scrutiny, as should the ethics of it. With 'Systematically dragged down by the lawmakers' in your sig, I'm surprised you don't also consider these factors. The wider issues here are largely non partisan in nature with increasing numbers becoming fed up by the behaviour of our elected representatives and those in their sphere.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Apr 2022 4.18pm)

Perhaps we are looking at this from the wrong way.

Can you actually achieve high-office in any modern country with a moral compass? Has the system itself become so warped that all we can argue about is what flavor of sociopath we want occupying the highest political position in the land?

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command." - 1984 - George Orwell.

The idea that because something is legal, it's fair, is so flawed I think a 4 year old could pick holes in it.

Would be nice to be able vote once again for someone who didn't have a name such as Boris, Nigel, Kier or f***ing Jeremy.

No offence to anybody who reads, but I literally and quite confidently state I have neither friends, acquaintances nor any real life experience of anyone of these names.

For a Londoner, working in a very middle-class laden and diverse professional professional field yet from the other dimensional pits of Lewisham, that screams everything about our options for leadership today...I feel anyway.

Now Zaha's got a bit of green grass ahead of him here... and finds Ambrose... not a bad effort!!!!

You can't be for peace if you oppose the US? or Israel? Is that a serious point?

In the same post, you seem to criticise him for both playing politics (around the EU) and not playing politics (around a 'government or national unity') which fairly well sums up how he is judged in our society - by a completely unique standard to any other politician.

I don't agree with everything he says or does, but he's infinitely more principled and moral than the people you will continue to vote for.

Labour aren't my side as I'm no closer to voting for them than Conservatives. I certainly agree that there are very real corruption issues in all parties that get within a sniff of power. I don't think they're idenikit setups, but at the same same all instances of abusing public trust or the system for their benefit will come back to greed, corruption, influence etc. So whatever strategy of approach would work (if there even is one!) could transform politics across the board.

We do as a society set many of these traps for ourselves though. We know that are MPs are not there on merit (hardly representative of the public), protesting is seek as pointless (and nobody cares about laws to make it harder to do so), even complaining about corruption in politics is something that other people tell us to pipe down about, let alone those benefiting. There's a good argument that we get the politicians we deserve.

Edited by BlueJay (13 Apr 2022 4.42pm)