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Hrolf The Ganger 14 Jul 21 10.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
It is, and I gave a very clear answer pages ago, although I made no reference to the "anti-British" assertion. Was he really "anti-British" or simply protecting his people? I have no idea if he was specifically anti British but erecting his statue would be.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jul 21 10.12pm | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
On the one hand you dismiss evidence from people that you consider ‘Uncle Toms’ and those that you think are part of some elite or other. On the other hand you would be happy to accept evidence from those who engaged in the atrocities – as if they were likely to say “It’s a fair cop govnr’ I chopped ‘is ‘ead off”. In any case most of the insurgents were killed in gun-fights when troops and police were used to put down the uprising – Chilembwe when trying to flee the country. I am not dismissing ANY evidence. ALL I am saying is when one viewpoint is silent, then a balanced perspective is impossible. It's not as difficult to comprehend as you appear to find it. Using words like "clearly", "specifically" and "undoubtably" when what actually went on, how and why, is shrouded in the mists of time and compromised by a tainted enquiry, is merely demonstrating your willingness to accept things at face value. Those who swallow spoon-fed propaganda are never going to be able to make objective judgements. You would make a rotten juror!
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 14 Jul 21 10.16pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I have no idea if he was specifically anti British but erecting his statue would be. Try reading my original response to this. It might surprise you.
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georgenorman 14 Jul 21 10.23pm | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
I am not dismissing ANY evidence. ALL I am saying is when one viewpoint is silent, then a balanced perspective is impossible. It's not as difficult to comprehend as you appear to find it. Using words like "clearly", "specifically" and "undoubtably" when what actually went on, how and why, is shrouded in the mists of time and compromised by a tainted enquiry, is merely demonstrating your willingness to accept things at face value. Those who swallow spoon-fed propaganda are never going to be able to make objective judgements. You would make a rotten juror! You are seriously suggesting that your viewpoint is ‘balanced’!
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 21 7.31am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Try reading my original response to this. It might surprise you. I did. It did not say whether you were in favour or not.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 21 9.33am | |
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Originally posted by georgenorman
You are seriously suggesting that your viewpoint is ‘balanced’! Yes, it's balanced as it seeks to see things in their context and recognises that not everything that others say is actually true. I am not mitigating anything, as from my perspective, nothing has been established that requires mitigation. Mitigation occurs after a fact has been established, and not before. You on the other hand take what has been reported at face value. I bet you are the type who believes everything that is "reported" in the Mail and the Sun! I am done with this. If you don't understand by now, you never will.
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 21 9.34am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I did. It did not say whether you were in favour or not. Try again. It's there.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 21 9.44am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Try again. It's there. You have written plenty on this subject and the majority of it appears to be you excusing away the murder of British subjects.
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georgenorman 15 Jul 21 9.47am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Yes, it's balanced as it seeks to see things in their context and recognises that not everything that others say is actually true. I am not mitigating anything, as from my perspective, nothing has been established that requires mitigation. Mitigation occurs after a fact has been established, and not before. You on the other hand take what has been reported at face value. I bet you are the type who believes everything that is "reported" in the Mail and the Sun! I am done with this. If you don't understand by now, you never will. More dissembling. As Orwell once said: "In our time political speech and writing are largely the defence of the indefensible."
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 21 10.10am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
You have written plenty on this subject and the majority of it appears to be you excusing away the murder of British subjects. You asked me to give a clear answer on whether I supported, or not, the erection of this statue. I have already done so. You can find it, if you really want to. You trying to throw mud with ridiculous suggestions that I have "excused murder" is just another of your diversions. I have done no such thing, and the long explanations on why historical accounts need to be treated with scepticism are unconnected to the merits of any statue.
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Hrolf The Ganger 15 Jul 21 11.50am | |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
You asked me to give a clear answer on whether I supported, or not, the erection of this statue. I have already done so. You can find it, if you really want to. You trying to throw mud with ridiculous suggestions that I have "excused murder" is just another of your diversions. I have done no such thing, and the long explanations on why historical accounts need to be treated with scepticism are unconnected to the merits of any statue. Go on, just tell us where you stand again so we don't have to search for it twenty pages back. Are you in favour of the anti British statue or not?
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Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 15 Jul 21 1.19pm | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
Go on, just tell us where you stand again so we don't have to search for it twenty pages back. Are you in favour of the anti British statue or not? I cannot imagine you accepting having to answer twice, and would doubtless tell me to do my own work! There are only 12 pages to look through! Whether a statue of this guy is "anti-British" is another matter on which I make no comment. What I said was:- "Putting up a statue to someone who has no direct connection to us, when there are many other candidates whose contributions to our country have established merit, seems strange. If he deserves to be recognised, and I pass no comment on that, then it would be appropriate in his home country".
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