And I am sure you can’t see the difference between a country that is obliged to work to the EU standards so many on here revile and Bangladesh where, apparently:

The ruling Awami League (AL) has consolidated political power through sustained harassment of the opposition and those perceived to be allied with it, as well as of critical media and voices in civil society. Corruption is a serious problem, and anticorruption efforts have been weakened by politicized enforcement. Due process guarantees are poorly upheld and security forces carry out a range of human right abuses with near impunity.

Romania has much higher educational standards. It is serious competition for all European countries and should not be confused with Least Developed Countries.

Educationally it isn't too bad....however
I'm sure that those Romanian orphans I saw in sub human conditions on the news a few years back weren't just some freak occurrence.

I actually know a little about Romania as Vee, a former Romanian Doctor, who is now a YT commentator who regularly vlogs from there.....and I'm afraid that country is most definitely not doing well in most metrics.....perhaps you should start watching his analysis about the country.

Edited by Stirlingsays (04 Jul 2021 10.23pm)

I am fully aware of the situation in Romania, as you know.

My post was in response to a fatuous post suggesting it is like Bangladesh. I did not say it is doing well but did say it would be foolish to underestimate it. It has also changed beyond recognition since I first worked there in 1994.

I’m not sure I really know the answer to this or whether I am right but it does rather occur to me that the reason we cannot get English workers to do lower skilled jobs is because of free movement.
For years we have permitted people who are happy to live here and enjoy our welfare state/our country/culture etc to come in and work here. That’s fine and I had/have absolutely no issue with that - it was reciprocal. These lads and lasses work their arses off, pay their taxes and contribute to our country - enriching it, making us fabulously diverse and we have all seen the benefits of that. BUT the problem is US. It does seem to breed a group of overly entitled youngsters and people who feel these jobs are beneath them and should now be given to ‘some Eastern European.’
It has, inadvertently, started to create a class system and Brexit really brought that to the fore. So, essentially, the EU Project sort of created the monster with free movement, we exploited it by treating them like absolute s***e and Brexit perpetuated it, as a lot of these folk went home, having been roundly insulted by nationalistic tossers and we are now left with a void.
Had it carried on, though, we were at risk of creating a two tier new class system as we treated these hard working people poorly, but now it’s ended we’re left trying to encourage spoilt little English kids to do the same jobs, on the same terms we expected others to do - which obviously they won’t do.
But it should means there’s now no problem with giving Uni kids summer jobs on minimum wage but good luck with that!
As I said not sure I’m right but interesting to throw it out there for debate.

Edited by Helmet46 (05 Jul 2021 7.04am)

Interesting. I'd genuinely like to know how many are in full employment (with appropriate Covid calibration) and how many are on benefits (ditto).

If they are any thing like the Poles I know, work all the hours and pay their tax in full. Not a bean sent back to Old Poland and not a penny sponged in benefits.[/quote]

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It's not sponging if they are working and entitled to it.

The problem is that the amount people pay in tax is peanuts to what you can claim in benefits:

Working tax credit
Housing benefit
Council tax benefit
Child benefit
etc.

That's why it's the government has now set a wage threshold below which you will not get a visa unless it is a specified role.

Edited by Badger11 (05 Jul 2021 10.04am)

One more point

Interesting. I'd genuinely like to know how many are in full employment (with appropriate Covid calibration) and how many are on benefits (ditto).

If they are any thing like the Poles I know, work all the hours and pay their tax in full. Not a bean sent back to Old Poland and not a penny sponged in benefits.