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Matov 27 Mar 21 9.29am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
In general elections I have voted on the left , even though some of my view are also right leaning and you honestly think I would condone victimising a teacher for teaching and then supporting criminal proceedings against them, nice generalised view you've got gong on there. LOL. Well done you. Go and get yourself a biscuit. But how loudly would you vocalise your opposition to what is happening in Batley in a pro-Left wing environment? And what reaction do you think you would get? How much of a deal-breaker would it be for you? Also how are we meant to view the utter hypocrisy of the policing here? Last week some friends of my daughter where playing football in a park. Only half a dozen of them. Police turned up and asked them to disperse. Which they did. They were breaking the rules and even the cops apologised for having to enforce them but they stopped playing and went home. Yet these protests are allowed? How are we meant to view this? As tolerance? Or utter cowardice and capitulation?
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 10.14am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
LOL. Well done you. Go and get yourself a biscuit. But how loudly would you vocalise your opposition to what is happening in Batley in a pro-Left wing environment? And what reaction do you think you would get? How much of a deal-breaker would it be for you? Also how are we meant to view the utter hypocrisy of the policing here? Last week some friends of my daughter where playing football in a park. Only half a dozen of them. Police turned up and asked them to disperse. Which they did. They were breaking the rules and even the cops apologised for having to enforce them but they stopped playing and went home. Yet these protests are allowed? How are we meant to view this? As tolerance? Or utter cowardice and capitulation? Well my opposition is I have no time for people protesting about teaching a religious subject using religious imigary, if they want their children to have an education they should accept they need to have a balanced one . If I was in Batley and I had access to the parents protesting I would share my view, it wouldn't bother me to have a open dicussion with them, no so not a deal breaker. You could draw your parallel about your daughters friends and the policing of the vigil on Clapham Common, the anti lockdown protests were they also utter cowardice and capitulation in your eyes?
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Matov 27 Mar 21 10.21am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
You could draw your parallel about your daughters friends and the policing of the vigil on Clapham Common, the anti lockdown protests were they also utter cowardice and capitulation in your eyes? I guess that on one level then yes, very much cowardice and capitulation. But I also accept that circumstances have to be taken into account. Where I struggle so much with Bately is that this protest has continued now for several days. A one-off, then perhaps a blind eye could be turned. Checks and balances and all that jazz. But how long will it be tolerated? That protesters seem adamant that they will remain until the teacher is sacked. How long is that allowed to carry on?
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 27 Mar 21 10.25am | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Well my opposition is I have no time for people protesting about teaching a religious subject using religious imigary, if they want their children to have an education they should accept they need to have a balanced one . If I was in Batley and I had access to the parents protesting I would share my view, it wouldn't bother me to have a open dicussion with them, no so not a deal breaker. You could draw your parallel about your daughters friends and the policing of the vigil on Clapham Common, the anti lockdown protests were they also utter cowardice and capitulation in your eyes? Its NOT the parents that are protesting, as they have admitted themselves, its people from outside the area. The parents have even signed the petition that is doing the rounds, wanting the said Teacher to reinstated, as the kids of ALL persuasions really like him. As an aside the imagery, has been in use for over 2 years & no-one has complained before.
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PalazioVecchio south pole 27 Mar 21 10.31am | |
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Moonies, Mormons, Seventh Day Evangelists, Buddhists.....it seems that some religions can be the victims of jokes, puns, gags, comedy sketches and other criticism. Serious criticism such as teachings on Blood Transfusions. Criticised and/or lampooned. And some religions, not so much.
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Matov 27 Mar 21 10.38am | |
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Originally posted by PalazioVecchio
Moonies, Mormons, Seventh Day Evangelists, Buddhists.....it seems that some religions can be the victims of jokes, puns, gags, comedy sketches and other criticism. Serious criticism such as teachings on Blood Transfusions. Criticised and/or lampooned. And some religions, not so much.
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 11.02am | |
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Originally posted by Matov
I guess that on one level then yes, very much cowardice and capitulation. But I also accept that circumstances have to be taken into account. Where I struggle so much with Bately is that this protest has continued now for several days. A one-off, then perhaps a blind eye could be turned. Checks and balances and all that jazz. But how long will it be tolerated? That protesters seem adamant that they will remain until the teacher is sacked. How long is that allowed to carry on?
Ok I'll cut to the chase on what I think about this, do I respect their right to protest, yes as much as I do anybody's. Should they be policed in the same way as anybody else, of course. If there was a hint of they are being policed differently because of their religious beliefs or for any other generalised reason I think whoever makes that decision to do that shouldn't be doing the Bl00dy job in my opinion, everyone should be policed equally no matter who they are unless I suppose there is a tactical reason I don't know about. As for what happens to the teacher, well that should be nothing unless I suppose he did it deliberately to cause offense which I would be highly surprised about. Also if I heard a hint about anyone of those protesters agreeing with any death threat I hope there is something they can arrest them for. There you go an opinion from a lefty scum bag ;-)
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 11.04am | |
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Originally posted by eagleman13
Its NOT the parents that are protesting, as they have admitted themselves, its people from outside the area. The parents have even signed the petition that is doing the rounds, wanting the said Teacher to reinstated, as the kids of ALL persuasions really like him. As an aside the imagery, has been in use for over 2 years & no-one has complained before. Must admit I didn't know that well the others should p!ss off and mind their own then.
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Matov 27 Mar 21 11.33am | |
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Progressive Lefty Scumbag might be a more fitting term. Personally, I find the likes of Paul Embury always interesting to read and listen to so there are voices on the Left that I can tolerate. Probably disagree on the economics side, but such is life, but in terms of social policy, think he talks a lot of sense.
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ASCPFC Pro-Cathedral/caravan park 27 Mar 21 12.06pm | |
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Originally posted by Belmont
Well my opposition is I have no time for people protesting about teaching a religious subject using religious imigary, if they want their children to have an education they should accept they need to have a balanced one . If I was in Batley and I had access to the parents protesting I would share my view, it wouldn't bother me to have a open dicussion with them, no so not a deal breaker. You could draw your parallel about your daughters friends and the policing of the vigil on Clapham Common, the anti lockdown protests were they also utter cowardice and capitulation in your eyes? Honestly Belmont I don't advise trying to speak sense to religious nutcases who will have no problem shadowing you, finding where you live, trolling you on social media at best and threatening you, or at worst chopping you up. That's the stage we're at. I'm incredibly unhappy about it, I see these people every day even here in Ireland. One can only imagine how much more ingrained Islamic radicalism is in England.
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Belmont 27 Mar 21 1.00pm | |
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Originally posted by ASCPFC
Honestly Belmont I don't advise trying to speak sense to religious nutcases who will have no problem shadowing you, finding where you live, trolling you on social media at best and threatening you, or at worst chopping you up. That's the stage we're at. I'm incredibly unhappy about it, I see these people every day even here in Ireland. One can only imagine how much more ingrained Islamic radicalism is in England. I must admit I have never met a muslim that radicalised and to be honest I can't understand how any religion belief can make people so hell bent on doing the things they do. I am maybe naive but I would like to have that discussion because until you understand something how the hell do you do something about it.
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Hrolf The Ganger 27 Mar 21 1.07pm | |
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This will probably be yet another example of how unprincipled and compromised the Left become when trying to avoid alienating their new immigrant pool of voters. This country needs to wake up to what is happening before we are completely back in the dark ages. We have one foot in the door already, and it's all because of an insane immigration policy and the utter contempt our politicians have for the future of this country.
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