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EddieMac 13 Aug 20 1.37pm
Originally posted by grumpymort You sound very dumb in this post. If he was st why has he just scored 44 goals in 40 games now don't state its because of the league because if someone was truly awful doesn't matter the league he would be just that awful. He was never given a fair run here. It's like they expected him to walk into to club and score 15 a season straight away plus again Roy wasn't even using him when he did on rare occasions correctly. We don't know what happened in Belgium you are just guessing he had been dealing with injury problems maybe that was part of the issue. No one mentioned about selling him they stated loan which their is no way you are telling me if you offered him to lower English or even Scottish leagues people wouldn't take him Sheff took Wickham so that sums it up doesn't it. He hasn't been sold so not sure why you are stating this it's a 2 year loan with a buy out clause which they have not triggered plus they have just gotten in trouble with FFP.** They will purchase him if interest rumors are true for peanuts 6m and get double so Palace who paid 9m upfront with extras going to 16m plus % goes to his former club so it will be about 4m if lucky have done terrible business again. It was a sale dressed up as a loan because of their financial situation. Man Utd and Real Madrid's of this world wouldn't touch him in a million years. Your coming on here acting like you saw a good player when he was with us. You and nobody else gave a monkies arse when he was loaned out. You probably didnt even know he was loaned out. No use jumping on the bandwagon now because of a few headlines in the daily mail. Edited by EddieMac (13 Aug 2020 1.39pm)
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13 Aug 20 1.37pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

You sound very dumb in this post.

If he was s**t why has he just scored 44 goals in 40 games now don't state its because of the league because if someone was truly awful doesn't matter the league he would be just that awful.

He was never given a fair run here.

It's like they expected him to walk into to club and score 15 a season straight away plus again Roy wasn't even using him when he did on rare occasions correctly.

We don't know what happened in Belgium you are just guessing he had been dealing with injury problems maybe that was part of the issue.

No one mentioned about selling him they stated loan which their is no way you are telling me if you offered him to lower English or even Scottish leagues people wouldn't take him Sheff took Wickham so that sums it up doesn't it.

He hasn't been sold so not sure why you are stating this it's a 2 year loan with a buy out clause which they have not triggered plus they have just gotten in trouble with FFP.

They will purchase him if interest rumors are true for peanuts 6m and get double so Palace who paid 9m upfront with extras going to 16m plus % goes to his former club so it will be about 4m if lucky have done terrible business again.

It was a sale dressed up as a loan because of their financial situation. Man Utd and Real Madrid's of this world wouldn't touch him in a million years. Your coming on here acting like you saw a good player when he was with us. You and nobody else gave a monkies arse when he was loaned out. You probably didnt even know he was loaned out. No use jumping on the bandwagon now because of a few headlines in the daily mail.

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EddieMac 13 Aug 20 1.41pm
Originally posted by Ali_Campbell I think it’s easy to look in hindsight and make a decision on whether it was a good or a bad deal. If we look back to when the deal was actually agreed there was not too much noise around it being poor business. I agree with the poster above, we all saw him play. A team in belgium saw him play and no one saw him having the season he has had in Turkey. 4-5m seemed like a good deal to cut our losses and move on. Fair play to the Turkish club for taking him on. If we were linked with a 5m guy who had scored no goals in a brief spell in the premier league and 1-2 in a loan spell at a belgium club, I would see more questions being thrown at dougie’s door. I personally don’t know how he has scored this many goals and stand by that he showed nothing in the games I saw him play. But his numbers do not lie. Chelsea got rid of Salah and KdB. Happens all the time. We just need to move on from this one unfortunately. I don’t recall us selling cheaply too many players who have then gone on to exceed expectations. (I mean us releasing players or selling players we felt surplus to requirements) Absolute spot on.
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13 Aug 20 1.41pm

Originally posted by Ali_Campbell

I think it’s easy to look in hindsight and make a decision on whether it was a good or a bad deal. If we look back to when the deal was actually agreed there was not too much noise around it being poor business. I agree with the poster above, we all saw him play. A team in belgium saw him play and no one saw him having the season he has had in Turkey.

4-5m seemed like a good deal to cut our losses and move on. Fair play to the Turkish club for taking him on. If we were linked with a 5m guy who had scored no goals in a brief spell in the premier league and 1-2 in a loan spell at a belgium club, I would see more questions being thrown at dougie’s door.

I personally don’t know how he has scored this many goals and stand by that he showed nothing in the games I saw him play. But his numbers do not lie.

Chelsea got rid of Salah and KdB. Happens all the time. We just need to move on from this one unfortunately.

I don’t recall us selling cheaply too many players who have then gone on to exceed expectations. (I mean us releasing players or selling players we felt surplus to requirements)

Absolute spot on.

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palace99 New Mills 13 Aug 20 1.47pm
Originally posted by EddieMac It was a sale dressed up as a loan because of their financial situation. Man Utd and Real Madrid's of this world wouldn't touch him in a million years. Your coming on here acting like you saw a good player when he was with us. You and nobody else gave a monkies arse when he was loaned out. You probably didnt even know he was loaned out. No use jumping on the bandwagon now because of a few headlines in the daily mail. Edited by EddieMac (13 Aug 2020 1.39pm) Agreed, clearly Palace wanted a 1 year loan and then a sale, Turkish club wanted a longer loan so they don't need to pay until after 2 years. In principle i've got no issue with this other than at end of year 1 Palace should have had a release clause add. It appears we must have been desperate to get rid of him (based on Roy's assessment) and bent over backward in negotiations to accommodate the other side. If a club DID make an offer now technically he is still a Palace player so it would be interesting to see how that would play out. Whilst the loan is 2 years the agreement to buy is at the end of the 2 years and not at any time up to 2 years
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New Mills 13 Aug 20 1.47pm

Originally posted by EddieMac

Edited by EddieMac (13 Aug 2020 1.39pm)

Agreed, clearly Palace wanted a 1 year loan and then a sale, Turkish club wanted a longer loan so they don't need to pay until after 2 years. In principle i've got no issue with this other than at end of year 1 Palace should have had a release clause add.
It appears we must have been desperate to get rid of him (based on Roy's assessment) and bent over backward in negotiations to accommodate the other side.
If a club DID make an offer now technically he is still a Palace player so it would be interesting to see how that would play out.
Whilst the loan is 2 years the agreement to buy is at the end of the 2 years and not at any time up to 2 years

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 13 Aug 20 3.13pm
Originally posted by palace99 Agreed, clearly Palace wanted a 1 year loan and then a sale, Turkish club wanted a longer loan so they don't need to pay until after 2 years. In principle i've got no issue with this other than at end of year 1 Palace should have had a release clause add. It appears we must have been desperate to get rid of him (based on Roy's assessment) and bent over backward in negotiations to accommodate the other side. If a club DID make an offer now technically he is still a Palace player so it would be interesting to see how that would play out. Whilst the loan is 2 years the agreement to buy is at the end of the 2 years and not at any time up to 2 years Contracts don't work like that he may be a Palace player technically but because of the deal done Palace has no say which is why if a club wants him as rumors suggest they go through his loan club because of that buy clause. By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this. Also again shows you are being dumb United and Madrid give it a rest you expect top clubs to be after him you are just acting like a child use your brain but a loan to lower English or Scot team is well do able for good business people which we clearly don't have. It was terrible deal anybody who think its good one needs to go back to GCSE math we paid 9m upfront with addons taking it to 16m his former club also gets a sell on fee of 20-25% we are now letting him go for 6m (lets not forget we paid 9m when that same club had only just purchased him for half a million yes great deal isnt it) (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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US/Thailand/UK 13 Aug 20 3.13pm

Originally posted by palace99

Contracts don't work like that he may be a Palace player technically but because of the deal done Palace has no say which is why if a club wants him as rumors suggest they go through his loan club because of that buy clause.

By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this.

Also again shows you are being dumb United and Madrid give it a rest you expect top clubs to be after him you are just acting like a child use your brain but a loan to lower English or Scot team is well do able for good business people which we clearly don't have.

It was terrible deal anybody who think its good one needs to go back to GCSE math we paid 9m upfront with addons taking it to 16m his former club also gets a sell on fee of 20-25% we are now letting him go for 6m (lets not forget we paid 9m when that same club had only just purchased him for half a million yes great deal isnt it)

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lefty27 ipswich 13 Aug 20 3.54pm
We hold his registration so in theory if a big club wants him now then it will be up to him to force a move. The buyout cause is only triggered by appearances made this season apparently. I listened to an athletic podcast the other day when they suggested we maybe able to recall him but would have to pay a fee to do so which is why we have been reluctant. Who really knows what the truth is regarding his contract.
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ipswich 13 Aug 20 3.54pm

We hold his registration so in theory if a big club wants him now then it will be up to him to force a move.
The buyout cause is only triggered by appearances made this season apparently.
I listened to an athletic podcast the other day when they suggested we maybe able to recall him but would have to pay a fee to do so which is why we have been reluctant.
Who really knows what the truth is regarding his contract.

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palace99 New Mills 13 Aug 20 4.15pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Contracts don't work like that he may be a Palace player technically but because of the deal done Palace has no say which is why if a club wants him as rumors suggest they go through his loan club because of that buy clause. By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this. ) Not actually the case re the contract Grumpy. It is quite a complicated loan deal. The permanent deal after year 2 depends on the player playing x amount of games in year 2 too (probably inserted at their end, not ours). He is technically a Palace player at this point in time - FACT
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New Mills 13 Aug 20 4.15pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this.

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Not actually the case re the contract Grumpy.
It is quite a complicated loan deal. The permanent deal after year 2 depends on the player playing x amount of games in year 2 too (probably inserted at their end, not ours).
He is technically a Palace player at this point in time - FACT

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CPFC1965 Warrington 13 Aug 20 4.23pm
Personally i think the only reason we bought him and Jach was there was a distinct possibility that we were going to get relegated and would have lost Benteke, Andros, Wilf etc. the next season. The loan is what it is. Just put this to bed and move on. Plenty of clubs have made stupid transfer decisions, Arsenal with Ozil and Sanchez going to United pr Birmingham giving us £8m plus AJ for Clinton, c'mon we all laughed long and loud over that one. we don't know the ins and outs of the total package but one thing is for certain he wouldn't be playing for us.
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Warrington 13 Aug 20 4.23pm

Personally i think the only reason we bought him and Jach was there was a distinct possibility that we were going to get relegated and would have lost Benteke, Andros, Wilf etc. the next season. The loan is what it is. Just put this to bed and move on. Plenty of clubs have made stupid transfer decisions, Arsenal with Ozil and Sanchez going to United pr Birmingham giving us £8m plus AJ for Clinton, c'mon we all laughed long and loud over that one.

we don't know the ins and outs of the total package but one thing is for certain he wouldn't be playing for us.

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grumpymort US/Thailand/UK 13 Aug 20 5.56pm
Originally posted by palace99 Not actually the case re the contract Grumpy. It is quite a complicated loan deal. The permanent deal after year 2 depends on the player playing x amount of games in year 2 too (probably inserted at their end, not ours). He is technically a Palace player at this point in time - FACT Wrong You need to look into this you don't understand how it works. Palace have no power here the only thing they can get is that buy out clause money nothing else so if some one else wants him now its doesn't matter it's nothing to do with them. A lot of people get confused with how it used to be in the old days the modern system is completely different. If he was a Palace player as such we can bring him back but we can't he has a deal with another club so we need to wait for that to expire which is no good anyway reports state his contract expires that same year loan deal ends. easiest way to look at it is the same as a release clause you hit it the parent cant do anything thing the player has released himself this is same with the loan so palace has no say because they put that release number in. (VPN) - [Link] (Alt VPN) - [Link]
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US/Thailand/UK 13 Aug 20 5.56pm

Originally posted by palace99

Wrong

You need to look into this you don't understand how it works.

Palace have no power here the only thing they can get is that buy out clause money nothing else so if some one else wants him now its doesn't matter it's nothing to do with them.

A lot of people get confused with how it used to be in the old days the modern system is completely different.

If he was a Palace player as such we can bring him back but we can't he has a deal with another club so we need to wait for that to expire which is no good anyway reports state his contract expires that same year loan deal ends.

easiest way to look at it is the same as a release clause you hit it the parent cant do anything thing the player has released himself this is same with the loan so palace has no say because they put that release number in.

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Ali_Campbell New Addington 13 Aug 20 6.11pm
Originally posted by grumpymort Contracts don't work like that he may be a Palace player technically but because of the deal done Palace has no say which is why if a club wants him as rumors suggest they go through his loan club because of that buy clause. By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this. Also again shows you are being dumb United and Madrid give it a rest you expect top clubs to be after him you are just acting like a child use your brain but a loan to lower English or Scot team is well do able for good business people which we clearly don't have. It was terrible deal anybody who think its good one needs to go back to GCSE math we paid 9m upfront with addons taking it to 16m his former club also gets a sell on fee of 20-25% we are now letting him go for 6m (lets not forget we paid 9m when that same club had only just purchased him for half a million yes great deal isnt it) I think we all agree that it was a terrible deal. But I don’t blame the club becuase I personally would have done a similar deal. We don’t know the details, but perhaps add-ons etc...may have put the Turkish team off. We were offered 6m for a guy who had done nothing so we cut our losses. No complaints from me.
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New Addington 13 Aug 20 6.11pm

Originally posted by grumpymort

By the way regarding the other poster i mentioned when the deal was done it was poor so not just a case of moaning about it now go read all the old posts you will see this.

I think we all agree that it was a terrible deal. But I don’t blame the club becuase I personally would have done a similar deal. We don’t know the details, but perhaps add-ons etc...may have put the Turkish team off. We were offered 6m for a guy who had done nothing so we cut our losses. No complaints from me.

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 13 Aug 20 6.31pm
forget what he has done in turkey...the leagues bobbins, having watched a few games this season from start to finish, the quality of defending is lower championship at best. he didnt cut the mustard in england, we got our money back. all is good. ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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forget what he has done in turkey...the leagues bobbins, having watched a few games this season from start to finish, the quality of defending is lower championship at best.

he didnt cut the mustard in england, we got our money back.

all is good.

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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braunstoneagle the middle of bumf*** nowhere... 13 Aug 20 6.34pm
Originally posted by grumpymort You sound very dumb in this post. If he was st why has he just scored 44 goals in 40 games now don't state its because of the league because if someone was truly awful doesn't matter the league he would be just that awful.** He was never given a fair run here. It's like they expected him to walk into to club and score 15 a season straight away plus again Roy wasn't even using him when he did on rare occasions correctly. We don't know what happened in Belgium you are just guessing he had been dealing with injury problems maybe that was part of the issue. No one mentioned about selling him they stated loan which their is no way you are telling me if you offered him to lower English or even Scottish leagues people wouldn't take him Sheff took Wickham so that sums it up doesn't it. He hasn't been sold so not sure why you are stating this it's a 2 year loan with a buy out clause which they have not triggered plus they have just gotten in trouble with FFP. They will purchase him if interest rumors are true for peanuts 6m and get double so Palace who paid 9m upfront with extras going to 16m plus % goes to his former club so it will be about 4m if lucky have done terrible business again. le fondre or jordan rhodes never made it as PL players and they scored for fun in lower leagues ‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway
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Originally posted by grumpymort

You sound very dumb in this post.

If he was s**t why has he just scored 44 goals in 40 games now don't state its because of the league because if someone was truly awful doesn't matter the league he would be just that awful.

He was never given a fair run here.

It's like they expected him to walk into to club and score 15 a season straight away plus again Roy wasn't even using him when he did on rare occasions correctly.

We don't know what happened in Belgium you are just guessing he had been dealing with injury problems maybe that was part of the issue.

He hasn't been sold so not sure why you are stating this it's a 2 year loan with a buy out clause which they have not triggered plus they have just gotten in trouble with FFP.

le fondre or jordan rhodes never made it as PL players and they scored for fun in lower leagues

‘Football isn’t instant coffee. You have to work at it. You must grow the bean, grind it.’ Ian Holloway

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Rachid Rachid Rachid 13 Aug 20 7.32pm
This is true. CF is the toughest position to bridge between the Championship and Premier League IMO. Players like Gayle and Bamford are others that fall through the gap.
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This is true. CF is the toughest position to bridge between the Championship and Premier League IMO.

Players like Gayle and Bamford are others that fall through the gap.

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