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YT Oxford 19 Feb 19 12.46pm
Originally posted by blackheatheagle I fail to understand / justify the correlation between aiming FA Cup / Europa League and relegation. When we consider this year`s experience, lack of decent striker has much more impact. It is obvious that neither FA Cup nor Europa League is the reason why Palace is only 3 points above danger. These 2 targets will definitely help to have mindset-shift to evolve club`s experience rather than having a mindset of avoiding relegation only. I see and understand sample of Wigan and Burnley but are we confident that FA Cup and Europa League are the only reason? Especially in recent income increase in EPL, i would prefer to stress managements to use source to build balanced / efficient squad. Afraid of 5-6 extra game sounds to conservative for me. I am much more `best training is a real game` guy. I can drop the appetite for FA Cup next year if we make it to Europa League group stage By the way, i hope and assume we will be out of danger zone totally by 10th of March before Watford game. Min 8 points out of 12 until then please. (Leicester, Utd, Burnley, Brighton) Edited by blackheatheagle (19 Feb 2019 12.04pm) No problem! Edited by YT (19 Feb 2019 12.48pm) Palace since 19 August 1972. Palace 1 (Tony Taylor) Liverpool 1 (Emlyn Hughes)
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Oxford 19 Feb 19 12.46pm

Originally posted by blackheatheagle

I fail to understand / justify the correlation between aiming FA Cup / Europa League and relegation.

When we consider this year`s experience, lack of decent striker has much more impact. It is obvious that neither FA Cup nor Europa League is the reason why Palace is only 3 points above danger. These 2 targets will definitely help to have mindset-shift to evolve club`s experience rather than having a mindset of avoiding relegation only.

I see and understand sample of Wigan and Burnley but are we confident that FA Cup and Europa League are the only reason? Especially in recent income increase in EPL, i would prefer to stress managements to use source to build balanced / efficient squad.

Afraid of 5-6 extra game sounds to conservative for me. I am much more `best training is a real game` guy.

I can drop the appetite for FA Cup next year if we make it to Europa League group stage

By the way, i hope and assume we will be out of danger zone totally by 10th of March before Watford game. Min 8 points out of 12 until then please. (Leicester, Utd, Burnley, Brighton)

Edited by blackheatheagle (19 Feb 2019 12.04pm)

No problem!

Edited by YT (19 Feb 2019 12.48pm)

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DutchEagleJohan Vlissingen, Netherlands 19 Feb 19 1.29pm
You make it sound like they went down mainly because of their FA cup run which is highly questionable. All the whining and moaning about 2 games a week, traveling first class that apparently is so much harder for footballers to take compared to normal people, resting periods between games charted in minutes, it makes me long for the olden days. You could easily make a case where good cup runs have helped teams overachieve. It is not a matter of: let's prioritize the league so result will surely be better because we have to play 3 games less in 3 months!! Think about it: 3 times 90, or god forbid 120 minutes, for professional sportspeople paid millions, in 3 months!!! Originally posted by Willo I have been in conversation with a chap who is very knowledgable about football, regarding teams who have got to an FA Cup final and then been relegated in the same season. Wigan are the only team to have actually won the FA Cup and been relegated that season.That was back in 2013 and they have never returned to the PL.Portsmouth got to the final in 2010, were relegated and have has spells in League One and League Two.They have not returned to the top flight.Brighton got to the FA Cup final in 1983 and it too them over 30 years to get to the PL ! All these supporters had their day out in the sun for the final but one can only speculate as to whether this was any compensation for the heartbreak of relegation. Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2019 10.51am)
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You make it sound like they went down mainly because of their FA cup run which is highly questionable.
All the whining and moaning about 2 games a week, traveling first class that apparently is so much harder for footballers to take compared to normal people, resting periods between games charted in minutes, it makes me long for the olden days.
You could easily make a case where good cup runs have helped teams overachieve. It is not a matter of: let's prioritize the league so result will surely be better because we have to play 3 games less in 3 months!! Think about it: 3 times 90, or god forbid 120 minutes, for professional sportspeople paid millions, in 3 months!!!

Originally posted by Willo

I have been in conversation with a chap who is very knowledgable about football, regarding teams who have got to an FA Cup final and then been relegated in the same season.

Wigan are the only team to have actually won the FA Cup and been relegated that season.That was back in 2013 and they have never returned to the PL.Portsmouth got to the final in 2010, were relegated and have has spells in League One and League Two.They have not returned to the top flight.Brighton got to the FA Cup final in 1983 and it too them over 30 years to get to the PL !

All these supporters had their day out in the sun for the final but one can only speculate as to whether this was any compensation for the heartbreak of relegation.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2019 10.51am)

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Frickin Saweet South Cronx 19 Feb 19 1.54pm
Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER What baffles me is that you can't see that that the FA cup at any time is a distraction for Palace survival, that at the moment hangs on a thread. I know a lot of fans put the cup above all else, but i would think the majority would consider survival more important. IMHO I don't think it is a majority though. When I'm grey and old and look back on my years of supporting Palace they won't be defined by whether or not we were relegated from the Premier League in 2019 - just like the 90s and '05 are largely insignificant now. But they would be if that were the year that we won the FA Cup. Without doubt my standout Palace moments are the 90 Cup Final - mainly because I was a kid and it was like nothing I'd experienced before, the Cardiff play-off final, beating Watford at Wembley. Because we actually achieved/won something, or came so close. To win the FA Cup would be the standout achievement in all the years I've supported Palace. It's naive to think that we'll remain in the Prem forever so relegation is inevitable and forgettable. Winning a cup is a lasting legacy.
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Originally posted by ARGILE OLD GEEZER

What baffles me is that you can't see that that the FA cup at any time is a distraction for Palace survival, that at the moment hangs on a thread.
I know a lot of fans put the cup above all else, but i would think the majority would consider survival more important. IMHO

I don't think it is a majority though. When I'm grey and old and look back on my years of supporting Palace they won't be defined by whether or not we were relegated from the Premier League in 2019 - just like the 90s and '05 are largely insignificant now.

But they would be if that were the year that we won the FA Cup. Without doubt my standout Palace moments are the 90 Cup Final - mainly because I was a kid and it was like nothing I'd experienced before, the Cardiff play-off final, beating Watford at Wembley. Because we actually achieved/won something, or came so close. To win the FA Cup would be the standout achievement in all the years I've supported Palace. It's naive to think that we'll remain in the Prem forever so relegation is inevitable and forgettable. Winning a cup is a lasting legacy.

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.02pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle One problem with winning the FA Cup is that we will be entered into the Europa League next season and that's the kiss of death for a club of our size Ok, better not beat Watford then, just in case. Wouldn't want to play in Europe next year
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Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.02pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

One problem with winning the FA Cup is that we will be entered into the Europa League next season and that's the kiss of death for a club of our size

Ok, better not beat Watford then, just in case. Wouldn't want to play in Europe next year

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.07pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Without the Premier League we are nothing. You might have noticed that we have never won the cup before and that might have something to do with the fact that we have spent the majority of our existence in the lower leagues where your players are usually bang average. The best chance of winning any cup is staying in the Premier League. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious. When you get to the latter stages of the cup, you must have been taking it half seriously. Clearly, the club believes that we have the players to have a cup run and get enough points in the league. Otherwise, we would be out already. A long cup run always has a knock on effect for fixtures and player performance and we are nowhere near safe yet. I would not see winning the FA Cup as consolation for a possible decade in the Championship. And yet we're in the Premier League and you don't want to go for the cup?
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Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.07pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Without the Premier League we are nothing. You might have noticed that we have never won the cup before and that might have something to do with the fact that we have spent the majority of our existence in the lower leagues where your players are usually bang average.

The best chance of winning any cup is staying in the Premier League. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious.

When you get to the latter stages of the cup, you must have been taking it half seriously. Clearly, the club believes that we have the players to have a cup run and get enough points in the league. Otherwise, we would be out already. A long cup run always has a knock on effect for fixtures and player performance and we are nowhere near safe yet.
I would not see winning the FA Cup as consolation for a possible decade in the Championship.

And yet we're in the Premier League and you don't want to go for the cup?

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.12pm
Originally posted by Willo I have been in conversation with a chap who is very knowledgable about football, regarding teams who have got to an FA Cup final and then been relegated in the same season. Wigan are the only team to have actually won the FA Cup and been relegated that season.That was back in 2013 and they have never returned to the PL.Portsmouth got to the final in 2010, were relegated and have has spells in League One and League Two.They have not returned to the top flight.Brighton got to the FA Cup final in 1983 and it too them over 30 years to get to the PL ! All these supporters had their day out in the sun for the final but one can only speculate as to whether this was any compensation for the heartbreak of relegation. Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2019 10.51am) That's 3 teams in 35 years. How many teams have got to the final (including us) and not been relegated? If we beat Watford, beat millwall/brighton in the semi and beat man utd in the final, I would die a very happy man...
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Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.12pm

Originally posted by Willo

I have been in conversation with a chap who is very knowledgable about football, regarding teams who have got to an FA Cup final and then been relegated in the same season.

All these supporters had their day out in the sun for the final but one can only speculate as to whether this was any compensation for the heartbreak of relegation.

Edited by Willo (19 Feb 2019 10.51am)

That's 3 teams in 35 years. How many teams have got to the final (including us) and not been relegated?
If we beat Watford, beat millwall/brighton in the semi and beat man utd in the final, I would die a very happy man...

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MrCParrot Taunton 19 Feb 19 2.23pm
Just a further thought. If we win the FA Cup then we will most likely keep Wilf for another year. Parrot Mr Cadbury's Parrot says "Hello"
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Just a further thought.
If we win the FA Cup then we will most likely keep Wilf for another year.

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Galv Wallington 19 Feb 19 2.28pm
I will support Palace as I have done all my life, in any division they happen to be playing in. If you don't want to go to games if we are in the Championship then I question your loyalty. I would love Luka to go up and lift the F.A cup this season. If it means definite relegation then so be it.....but nothing is certain.
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Wallington 19 Feb 19 2.28pm

I will support Palace as I have done all my life, in any division they happen to be playing in. If you don't want to go to games if we are in the Championship then I question your loyalty.
I would love Luka to go up and lift the F.A cup this season. If it means definite relegation then so be it.....but nothing is certain.

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Midlands Eagle 19 Feb 19 2.30pm
Originally posted by blackheatheagle I fail to understand / justify the correlation between aiming FA Cup / Europa League and relegation. Afraid of 5-6 extra game sounds to conservative for me. I am much more `best training is a real game` guy. Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later
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Originally posted by blackheatheagle

I fail to understand / justify the correlation between aiming FA Cup / Europa League and relegation.

Afraid of 5-6 extra game sounds to conservative for me. I am much more `best training is a real game` guy.

Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later

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spartakev2 Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.38pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later So send the kids or fringe players. Never heard sny thing so stupid in my life - don't want to win thd cup in case we have to play in Europe next season - seriously?
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Anerley 19 Feb 19 2.38pm

Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later

So send the kids or fringe players. Never heard sny thing so stupid in my life - don't want to win thd cup in case we have to play in Europe next season - seriously?

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RH8Eagle Oxted 19 Feb 19 3.21pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger Without the Premier League we are nothing. You might have noticed that we have never won the cup before and that might have something to do with the fact that we have spent the majority of our existence in the lower leagues where your players are usually bang average. The best chance of winning any cup is staying in the Premier League. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious. When you get to the latter stages of the cup, you must have been taking it half seriously. Clearly, the club believes that we have the players to have a cup run and get enough points in the league. Otherwise, we would be out already. A long cup run always has a knock on effect for fixtures and player performance and we are nowhere near safe yet. I would not see winning the FA Cup as consolation for a possible decade in the Championship. ————————————————————————————- Not sure we are nothing without the premier league and if we never give the cup a serious crack when we get the chance what’s it all about. We could easily try our hardest to stay in the top tier and take the cup very lightly but still mess up and get relegated so can’t we just give it a go when we are at our strongest and have a bit of belief we can stay up. Hopefully there is only one place left for relegation so it not looking to dire atm.
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Oxted 19 Feb 19 3.21pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The best chance of winning any cup is staying in the Premier League. I'd have thought that was fairly obvious.

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Not sure we are nothing without the premier league and if we never give the cup a serious crack when we get the chance what’s it all about. We could easily try our hardest to stay in the top tier and take the cup very lightly but still mess up and get relegated so can’t we just give it a go when we are at our strongest and have a bit of belief we can stay up. Hopefully there is only one place left for relegation so it not looking to dire atm.

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blackheatheagle Beckenham 19 Feb 19 3.24pm
Originally posted by Midlands Eagle Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later This may be a fact for sure but IMHO it is not a horror story as it sounds. Chance of meeting 3000+ miles team in any draw (elimination or group) will not be more than 5%. If we assume 3 point is lost in the league for this, that means the risk of 3 point loss is 5%. It should not be a deal when Palace lose average of 60 points every year. 5-6 game extra is extra challenge for sure and can be painful during October-November, i don`t deny that. But what i fail to understand is what is the pre-requisite to accept this challenge? Or the doors to accept this should be closed at all? Just asking.
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle

Not when those extra five or six games are in the back end of Mongolia on a Thursday night and we have a league match back in England three days later

This may be a fact for sure but IMHO it is not a horror story as it sounds.

Chance of meeting 3000+ miles team in any draw (elimination or group) will not be more than 5%. If we assume 3 point is lost in the league for this, that means the risk of 3 point loss is 5%. It should not be a deal when Palace lose average of 60 points every year.

5-6 game extra is extra challenge for sure and can be painful during October-November, i don`t deny that. But what i fail to understand is what is the pre-requisite to accept this challenge? Or the doors to accept this should be closed at all? Just asking.

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