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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 17 Jun 18 9.58am | |
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Originally posted by dp
This guy is a regular starter for Arsenal, who are better than us. If we could get him, then he would take us forward. And yet people on here think he is not good enough for us, or are raking over the last few seasons to find reasons why he is somehow flawed. Whilst onother threads people are saying that we are Palace, and are therefore not going to sign £30 million + players. If all this is true, then surely the only route forward is to sign these flawed quality players who have fallen out of favour in the Champions League teams, when we can. To do so we have to accept that they are flawed and that this is a risk. Excellent post.
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Mstrobez 17 Jun 18 10.07am | |
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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle
Excellent post. It’s not true though. He’s not a regular starter for Arsenal, he’s a rotation option & deemed by most to not be good enough to start regularly. These injury prone “maverick” big names don’t actually inspire me all that much at all. To me they just highlight a lack of global footballing knowledge from our scouting department. I don’t think we’ll ever move forward that much if we continue to confine the majority of our biggest signings to has beens, or coulda been great if hadn’t spent majority of career injured, or only way we know he’s good is because its someone we had on loan who’s price is now through the roof. There are options out there in world football. European markets have a whole host of young creative midfielders with similar qualities to Wilshere. Who are younger, who aren’t a sick note, who have the potential to be infinitely better than him. I could do a mattteo style list of them. But we’re so obsessed with premier league experience, it ends up holding us back. Would a fully fit Wilshere improve us? Probably. Is he the best option for the type of money we will have to spend on him? No, almost certainly not.
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Bexley Eagle Bexley Kent 17 Jun 18 10.15am | |
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I can see both sides of the argument. Luka is an example which backs your case. Few including me had even heard of him let alone seen him play and yet he has been excellent since his arrival. Cabaye is probably in the other camp in that he was a big name surplus to requirements at a bigger club. Again he may never have reached the heights that we originally expected but he has been an integral part of our team and would leave a big while if he returns to France this summer. I would take Wilshere so long as the economics of the deal work for us. He is a good player who would fit into the way we play very well and would be a like for like for Cabaye if he left.
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black eagle. south croydon. 17 Jun 18 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by dp
This guy is a regular starter for Arsenal, who are better than us. If we could get him, then he would take us forward. And yet people on here think he is not good enough for us, or are raking over the last few seasons to find reasons why he is somehow flawed. Whilst onother threads people are saying that we are Palace, and are therefore not going to sign £30 million + players. If all this is true, then surely the only route forward is to sign these flawed quality players who have fallen out of favour in the Champions League teams, when we can. To do so we have to accept that they are flawed and that this is a risk. Brilliant post.
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Mstrobez 17 Jun 18 10.19am | |
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Originally posted by Bexley Eagle
I can see both sides of the argument. Luka is an example which backs your case. Few including me had even heard of him let alone seen him play and yet he has been excellent since his arrival. Cabaye is probably in the other camp in that he was a big name surplus to requirements at a bigger club. Again he may never have reached the heights that we originally expected but he has been an integral part of our team and would leave a big while if he returns to France this summer. I would take Wilshere so long as the economics of the deal work for us. He is a good player who would fit into the way we play very well and would be a like for like for Cabaye if he left. If he’s fully fit, of course he’ll be a good player for us. But I struggle to see any circumstance where economically we couldn’t do a whole lot better. If we just show a bit of ambition and broaden our horizons.
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Goldfiinger Just down the road 17 Jun 18 12.14pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
It’s not true though. He’s not a regular starter for Arsenal, he’s a rotation option & deemed by most to not be good enough to start regularly. These injury prone “maverick” big names don’t actually inspire me all that much at all. To me they just highlight a lack of global footballing knowledge from our scouting department. I don’t think we’ll ever move forward that much if we continue to confine the majority of our biggest signings to has beens, or coulda been great if hadn’t spent majority of career injured, or only way we know he’s good is because its someone we had on loan who’s price is now through the roof. There are options out there in world football. European markets have a whole host of young creative midfielders with similar qualities to Wilshere. Who are younger, who aren’t a sick note, who have the potential to be infinitely better than him. I could do a mattteo style list of them. But we’re so obsessed with premier league experience, it ends up holding us back. Would a fully fit Wilshere improve us? Probably. Is he the best option for the type of money we will have to spend on him? No, almost certainly not.
Under stand your point but still don’t see how taking a chance on a couple of young European players for say £10m is less risky than Jack at £25m. We did however do very well buying Luka and am totally behind more European signings. But should we not go for JW whilst he is available as he is clearly a very good player. Very surprising people are arguing about his quality on the basis he might or might not be arsenal first team quality.....
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Goldfiinger Just down the road 17 Jun 18 12.24pm | |
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Originally posted by Mstrobez
If he’s fully fit, of course he’ll be a good player for us. But I struggle to see any circumstance where economically we couldn’t do a whole lot better. If we just show a bit of ambition and broaden our horizons. Signing a quality keeper on a free was fairly good business? We sign European players and some pay off and some don’t. Club show a bit of ambition? For real?
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eagleman13 On The Road To Hell & Alicante 17 Jun 18 2.43pm | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Under stand your point but still don’t see how taking a chance on a couple of young European players for say £10m is less risky than Jack at £25m. We did however do very well buying Luka and am totally behind more European signings. But should we not go for JW whilst he is available as he is clearly a very good player. Very surprising people are arguing about his quality on the basis he might or might not be arsenal first team quality.....
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Rudi Hedman Caterham 17 Jun 18 4.02pm | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Signing a quality keeper on a free was fairly good business? We sign European players and some pay off and some don’t. Club show a bit of ambition? For real? Some good points made all round but I lean this way a bit tbh. A mix in your strategy never a bad thing.
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Painter Croydon 17 Jun 18 4.17pm | |
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Roy would of seen close up whilst Wilshere was in the England squad with him. He will know exactly what his personality and ability is like and whether he can fit into our first team.
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Mstrobez 17 Jun 18 4.51pm | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Signing a quality keeper on a free was fairly good business? We sign European players and some pay off and some don’t. Has absolutely nothing to do with transfers whatsoever. I was referring to our transfer policy and scouting department. And in terms of incomings we lack enterprise severely. The one time we actually broadened out a bit we got Luka, imagine how much he’d cost if he were English or a PL player, and even then he was in a pool that English clubs were circling. So it’s not like we exclusively uncovered that gem. He still had to fit what appears to me as a very narrow criteria we set out for players. The premier league is a completely over inflated market. To some the experience is the be all and end all, for me it’s not in the slightest. You’re within your rights to disagree, but it’s a matter of a difference in opinion and that’s it. And my point is quite simply that there are far better alternatives in the world than Wilshere, that will cost less, play more and have more years in them.
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mattteo 17 Jun 18 6.55pm | |
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Originally posted by Goldfiinger
Signing a quality keeper on a free was fairly good business? We sign European players and some pay off and some don’t. Club show a bit of ambition? For real?
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