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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Sep 17 3.35pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

On a football forum, oh the irony.

You think sport and politics do mix then?

Don't be shy. Let's hear it.

 

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wordup Flag 26 Sep 17 3.36pm

I mean I'm okay with neo nazis parading through town but these black guys on one knee. We've gone too far!

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 17 3.39pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston

There is no notable difference between crime rates for poor whites as for poor blacks.

The issue isn't race, the issue is poverty. [Link]

Edited by Ray in Houston (26 Sep 2017 3.08pm)

That reads as an extremely progressive spin on statistics...I couldn't find the link to the actual statistics themselves.

In my view the problem here is cultural not racial.

Ignoring this reality has worsened the situation not improved it. Racism does exist but that has become a tool for victimization and won't improve anything.....Well, accept continue to gain the Democrats votes of course....everyone likes to hear it's not their fault.

Poverty produces more certain types of crime for obvious reasons.

From the statistics I've seen there isn't parity on crime rates between these groups in poverty.

But I don't put that down to genetics.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.39pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You think sport and politics do mix then?

Don't be shy. Let's hear it.

Politics is intertwined in all facets of life.

You don't think there were any politics embroiled in Hillsborough and the aftermath/enquiry?

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 17 3.41pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Which words? I can't see that anything I have said is racist.

It's a progressives mantra.

Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 3.41pm)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 26 Sep 17 3.41pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

That reads as an extremely progressive spin on statistics...I couldn't find the link to the actual statistics themselves.

In my view the problem here is cultural not racial.

Ignoring this reality has worsened the situation not improved it. Racism does exist but that has become a tool for victimization and won't improve anything.....Well, accept continue to gain the Democrats votes of course....everyone likes to hear it's not their fault.

Poverty produces more certain types of crime for obvious reasons.

From the statistics I've seen there isn't parity on crime rates between these groups in poverty.

But I don't put that down to genetics.

Is that why you view the rise in fascism across the western world as the fault of progressives, not those that harbour racist ideologies.

 

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 26 Sep 17 3.42pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A massive oversimplification.

Criminality is a culture in some communities and is encouraged. Gang culture in endemic among some minority populations.
Poverty is a factor but by no means the end of the story.

Oh yeah, and sport and politics don't mix.


If it's "cultural" (#RacistDogWhistle), then why don't affluent African Americans commit crime at the same rate as poor African Americans? Why do poor African Americans commit crime at roughly the same rates as poor white Americans?

 


We don't do possession; we do defense and attack. Everything else is just wa**ing with a football.

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 26 Sep 17 3.46pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So not freedom of speech then. Exactly how much political can did those individuals have> Its worth remembering that many were taking solidarity with other sports.

The values of a democratic society include protest and the use of position to raise issues. Its not abused if you're making a political statement especially on behalf of others, in fact its iconic, thanks to Jesse Owens circa 1936.

I commend people who put their own well being and personal gain, at risk, for something they believe.

The Jessie Owens card again. He was running in Nazi Germany. To compare that to now is insulting to the democracy we enjoy.
These protests have no rationality or aim behind them. They would be better campaigning against gang culture or drug dealing which are significant instead of tokenism.

So we can all protest at football matches or any place of employment when it takes our fancy?

Are you sure you want to go with that?

 

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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 26 Sep 17 3.47pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

A massive oversimplification.

Criminality is a culture in some communities and is encouraged. Gang culture in endemic among some minority populations.
Poverty is a factor but by no means the end of the story.

Oh yeah, and sport and politics don't mix.

Gang Culture? You mean that's a specifically black thing. Japan, probably the least gang cultured society in the world, has the Yakuza and Bozozuki and street gangs. The Chinese have the Triads and Italy has more gangs than you can shake a stick at (Mafia, N'dragata, Camora etc. You have a massive history of white gangs in Liverpool and Glasgow, London Gangsters.

One thing all organised crime has in common, is that it recruits from street gangs, and typically drawing members from poorest communities (as well as basing their key financial schemes among these communities).

Even the Provosional IRA and Loyalist, typically recruit their membership from the poorest of Catholic and Protest Communities.

People think its a black thing because of Hip Hop. But its as old as poverty. Gangs are a plague on poor communities with the rise of the drug market, but traditionally they've been ever present part of poor communities.

And the drug market is very lucrative, but its not the low level gangbangers and rollers, who are bringing in the heroin, cocaine and crack on mass.

These areas also tend to produce a lot of sportsmen and musicians, as the routes out of poverty tend to be few (crime, music, sports, art) if you're going to escape poverty, you really need an exceptional talent for one of those four.

 


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wordup Flag 26 Sep 17 3.48pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

The Jessie Owens card again. He was running in Nazi Germany. To compare that to now is insulting to the democracy we enjoy.
These protests have no rationality or aim behind them. They would be better campaigning against gang culture or drug dealing which are significant instead of tokenism.

So we can all protest at football matches or any place of employment when it takes our fancy?

Are you sure you want to go with that?

Why should your judgment of the rationality or aim behind a protest have any influence on whether it should go ahead or not? The whole basis of a protest is that many people disagree with it or do not see the merits of it. If white supremacists get a free protest pass from you, I'm pretty sure you shouldn't need to analyse this one to the nth degree.

Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 3.49pm)

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston


If it's "cultural" (#RacistDogWhistle), then why don't affluent African Americans commit crime at the same rate as poor African Americans? Why do poor African Americans commit crime at roughly the same rates as poor white Americans?

I'm afraid you have used that word once too often.

Go play on your own.

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 26 Sep 17 3.49pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by wordup

Well yes of course, if it's someone on the right backtracking after gross statements about how kid f***ing can enrich some individuals, we're all obliged to take their statement due to intense media pressure at face value. In fact Ray is chastised by you here for not doing so. But a black man on a knee at a football game, tut tut, no that simply won't do. It's just some uppity types who need to be educated as to when it's appropriate for them to express their view. Mr freedom of speech has spoken.

Edited by wordup (26 Sep 2017 3.28pm)

So what is your position on Milo then? If you say something stupid then should you be defined as that, regardless of how many times you correct it? Who gets to decide on face value? You and Ray?

Interesting.

I've criticised these NFL millionaires for their actions. Nothing more than that. I haven't mis-characterised what they have done. Your comparison is risible.


Edited by Stirlingsays (26 Sep 2017 4.05pm)

 


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