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Jimenez Flag SELHURSTPARKCHESTER,DA BRONX 14 Sep 17 11.02pm Send a Private Message to Jimenez Add Jimenez as a friend

Originally posted by hedgehog50

Flogging seem to play a large part in it, for having a drink, having sex, adultery - or is that the death penalty, hard to keep up, I'm pretty sure being gay is the death penalty though.

Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia".
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.


Nice tolerant lot by & large !!

 


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elgrande Flag bedford 14 Sep 17 11.12pm Send a Private Message to elgrande Add elgrande as a friend

Originally posted by Jimenez

Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia".
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.


Nice tolerant lot by & large !!


Thats just the good bits,

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 11.45pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Yeah, we know Nick...everyone who disagrees with you is a fascist sympathizer.

Not everyone. No.
However, the title of the thread is 'resurgence of fascist sentiment.' I think it's right. I'm sure saying something along the lines of, "That EDL manifesto looks alright to me" would qualify as fascist sentiment to most. That's not even scraping the surface on the things written in this thread.

Ho hum.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 11.47pm)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 14 Sep 17 11.55pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

Not everyone. No.
However, the title of the thread is 'resurgence of fascist sentiment.' I think it's right. I'm sure saying something along the lines of, "That EDL manifesto looks alright to me" would qualify as fascist sentiment to most. That's not even scraping the surface on the things written in this thread.

Ho hum.

Edited by nickgusset (14 Sep 2017 11.47pm)

No Nick there's nothing in that mission statement that is anything like fascist.

I'm not a fascist nor a fascist sympathizer. You just like to label people and it isolates you.

I'm quite convinced that you aren't really interested in accuracy or being objective or balanced.....The fact that you were someone who went door to door politically is a bit awful because of those things.

Anyone you spoke to should be directed to your stuff on here if they actually listened to you.

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 14 Sep 17 11.58pm

Originally posted by Jimenez

Theft is punishable by amputation of the hands (Quran 5:38 - includes graphic image).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death. has this happened in this country?
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.has this happened in this country?
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (see Allah moon god).has this happened in this country?
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (See Compulsion).has this happened in this country?
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.has this happened in this country?
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.has this happened in this country?
• A woman or girl who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).has this happened in this country?
• Testimonies of 4 male witnesses are required to prove rape of a female (Quran 24:13).has this happened in this country?
• A woman or girl who alleges rape without producing 4 male witnesses is guilty of adultery.has this happened in this country?
• A woman or girl found guilty of adultery is punishable by death (see "Islamophobia".has this happened in this country?
• A male convicted of rape can have his conviction dismissed by marrying his victim.
• Muslim men have sexual rights to any woman/girl not wearing the Hijab (see Taharrush).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.has this happened in this country?
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251). a horrible practice that has no religious boundaries.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination hmm what's the nickname for stella lager again?(see Quran 4:34 and Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a wife needs her husband's consent to divorce. Whats wrong with this?
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (see Mathematics in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval). has this happened in this country?
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.has this happened in this country?
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal."
• Muslims are to subjugate the world under Islam (see Quran 9:29 and Palestine Issue).
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.has this happened in this country?


Nice tolerant lot by & large !!


All pretty horrific and barbaric. It's like a greatest hits of the worst bits .
How many countries worldwide actually carry out these practices?


 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 17 12.21am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset


All pretty horrific and barbaric. It's like a greatest hits of the worst bits .
How many countries worldwide actually carry out these practices?


Your ignorance is truly breathtaking.

You call people fascists and fascist sympathizers yet you seek to minimal the impact and occurrence of violent authoritarian systems.

There are plenty of countries around the world that have been effectively ethnically cleansed of all religions except Islam and here is little old supposedly naive Nick and his....'How many countries worldwide actually carry out these practices?'

He's amusing if nothing else.

As for 'has this happened in this country'. Well, thanks to people like Nick we have Sharia courts in this country which Muslims can go to rather than secular ones. So several of these offences, particularly around the area of rape most definitely could have happened and we wouldn't know.

Of course Taqiyya happens in this country....Don't you know what it means?
Of course restricting the males a women can speak to in this country has happened.....Jesus!
Sex with nine year olds? Not officially and its unlikely but not impossible thanks to Sharia courts it could have happened and not been reported....I mean we have recently had collectively hundreds of young girls being raped by Islamic gangs.
Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death....has that happened....yes it has.....A shopkeeper was recently murdered for that by an extremist.
As for threats towards people who criticise Islam.....How much did we have to spend on the security author of 'Satanic verses' in this country?

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2017 12.48am)

 


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nickgusset Flag Shizzlehurst 15 Sep 17 12.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

Your ignorance is truly breathtaking.

You call people fascists and fascist sympathizers yet you seek to minimal the impact and occurrence of violent authoritarian systems.

There are plenty of countries around the world that have been effective ethnically cleansed of all religions except Islam and here is little old native Nick and his....'How many countries worldwide actually carry out these practices?'

He's amusing if nothing else.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2017 12.24am)

How many? And let me clarify, any occurrences of what is listed is heinous (apart from the divorce one )and I abhor the fact that this occurs. I in no way defend it.


Could lauding a near monocultural society be within the 'fascist sentiment' spectrum?
Depends on how you view the world I suppose.
Do you accept that the world has many different peoples, that we are living during an epoch where travel around the world has made it a much smaller place so there's an acceptance there will be more movement of people especially when many are forced out through war, famine or ecological / natural disaster and collaboration is a better way forward than creating divisions.

Or do you take the insular view. Look on people who aren't like you as the other. And who should be treated as such.
English people should come first cry the EDL. Fine, but in doing that you are instantly subjugating everyone who is other. You think it is reasonable that millions of good men and women should be deemed second class.


Fascist sentiment. Yes or no?

Nothing wrong with that EDL manifesto?

Edited by nickgusset (15 Sep 2017 12.53am)

 

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 17 1.19am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by nickgusset

How many?

There are 49 Islamic majority countries where the majority is over fifty percent. The higher the Islamic population the less tolerance there is for any thing else.

13 of them outlaw Atheism.

Originally posted by nickgusset

Could lauding a near monocultural society be within the 'fascist sentiment' spectrum?

I like aspects of social libertarianism. I am more about criticising the advancement of the idea that multiculturalism is a good thing.....when the reality is that all it has done is damage immigrant communities not help them. Rather than 'mono-culture' as such, the idea of allegiance to Britain is more important.

I advance the secular perspective. You can be whatever you like within that framework. Sure I think that if you aren't batting for this country then you should go and bat for who you like...but I'm not going to compel you.....But I would be selective about who comes in.

Originally posted by nickgusset

English people should come first cry the EDL. Fine, but in doing that you are instantly subjugating everyone who is other. You think it is reasonable that millions of good men and women should be deemed second class.

I think the EDL is more about resisting the advancement of Islamic principles within England rather than some blanket England first idea.....Isn't that the English democrats? I'm aware that there may be a little bit of the 'Judea's people's front' about this.

'Others' exist...that's what a passport is about Nick. But that doesn't mean they should be treated badly....and moaning about 'others' coming from the guy calling people 'fascists' is most amusing Nick.

Originally posted by nickgusset

Fascist sentiment. Yes or no?

Nothing wrong with that EDL manifesto?

Sorry Nick, not fascism....ethnocentric certainly.

Well, I didn't see you make any good arguments for that no.


Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2017 1.35am)

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Sep 17 4.42am

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Admit it Nick. You like Islam more than your own culture and would be happy to live under Sharia law.

I think its reasonable to regard Islamist Britain and a EDL Britain as equally abhorrent concepts. Neither represent the ideals of a free Democratic society, which accepts alternative view.

Political groups that don't have political representation or engagement in the democratic party, but actively claim to represent the people by protest and action of its members are almost always Marxist or Fascist based groups. Especially when you get down to its core members.

How anyone can have issue with Antifa or the ANL and have any regard for the EDL, they are effectively the same thing really. The ANL was exploited by the SWP exactly in the same way the Far Right does with groups like the EDL.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Sep 17 4.58am Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

How anyone can have issue with Antifa or the ANL and have any regard for the EDL, they are effectively the same thing really. The ANL was exploited by the SWP exactly in the same way the Far Right does with groups like the EDL.

What have EDL done that justifies you comparing them to Antifa?

Berkeley have just spent 600, 000 dollars on security ensuring that Antifa can't stop a speech by a conservative. Businesses in the area boarded up and closed down early.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2017 5.01am)

 


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hedgehog50 Flag Croydon 15 Sep 17 7.41am

Originally posted by nickgusset

has this happened in this country?

All pretty horrific and barbaric. It's like a greatest hits of the worst bits .
How many countries worldwide actually carry out these practices?


Be patient Nick.

 


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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 15 Sep 17 8.48am

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What have EDL done that justifies you comparing them to Antifa?

Berkeley have just spent 600, 000 dollars on security ensuring that Antifa can't stop a speech by a conservative. Businesses in the area boarded up and closed down early.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Sep 2017 5.01am)

Violence resulting arrests in London, Birmingham, manchester and liverpool for starters

 


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