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jamiemartin721 Flag Reading 17 Jul 17 4.26pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

Yeah and next you'll be telling me Tess of the D'Urbervilles was actually just being fed strawberries by Alec. They were bonking mate.

I thought Tess was raped. But I get what you mean, having done (oe-err) D. H. Lawrence in English Literature, I think I learned more about Freudian imagery than I did studying Psychology.

Sometimes you just wish it was 'sopping clunge enveloping a throbbing member'. I f**king hate DH Lawrence - Its like p*** with all the sex taken out of context.

 


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Part Time James Flag 17 Jul 17 4.33pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I thought Tess was raped. But I get what you mean, having done (oe-err) D. H. Lawrence in English Literature, I think I learned more about Freudian imagery than I did studying Psychology.

Sometimes you just wish it was 'sopping clunge enveloping a throbbing member'. I f**king hate DH Lawrence - Its like p*** with all the sex taken out of context.

I don't think it was considered to be rape when a dashing man popped his strawberry in an under aged girl's gob without much more encouragement than a heaving breast and some eye fluttering in them days.

 




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Part Time James Flag 17 Jul 17 4.34pm Send a Private Message to Part Time James Add Part Time James as a friend

FYI: Tess was one of the four pieces of literature I had to choose from for my English Literature GCSE. We had to choose 3 so obviously she got ditched in favour of Edgar Allan Poe.

 




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Rudi Hedman Flag Caterham 17 Jul 17 6.23pm Send a Private Message to Rudi Hedman Add Rudi Hedman as a friend

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

I thought Tess was raped. But I get what you mean, having done (oe-err) D. H. Lawrence in English Literature, I think I learned more about Freudian imagery than I did studying Psychology.

Sometimes you just wish it was 'sopping clunge enveloping a throbbing member'. I f**king hate DH Lawrence - Its like p*** with all the sex taken out of context.

All imagery of Lillies and what not. Mind you some of the dialogue in Lady Chatterly is like some of the lowest comment denominator conversation in a football pub in Derbyshire/Yorkshire. 'Cvnt is cvnt' stuff. Probably similar to some hungover conversations in the lower holmesdale, desperately getting that hair of the dog down.

 


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Stirlingsays Flag 17 Jul 17 6.37pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Somehow things always get around to DH Lawrence.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 17 Jul 17 8.36pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Firstly Dr Who and James Bond are not comparable in this context. Bond is a White man because he was written that way. To make him Black would be a deliberate alteration of the whole character for the sole purpose of making him black. It would be as daft as making Shaft White.


I think the difference is that Bond is a generic character - originally written as white man because in 1950s Britain that's who would be working at MI6 - while Shaft is written as a culturally-specific character.

There's no reason, therefore, why a Bond updated to the 21st century can't be any race, creed, colour, gender or sexual orientation. Shaft, conversely, is locked in because his race defines a significant portion of his character. Perhaps you could make Shaft a black female with a overcharged libido, but then the name takes on a slightly looser connotation. Maybe a gay black female, because that way she could still be a sex machine to all the chicks.

Anyway, this stuff happens all the time. One of the more notable examples was in the original Alien, where Ripley was written as a man (and Sigourney Weaver was originally cast as whiny-Lambert). Now, Alien would've been fine with Ripley being male, but isn't the movie world a little brighter for having an arse-kicking lead female character like Ripley?

So, Dr. Who, being an alien taking on human form, can take on whatever form it wants; Bond can be anything that's appropriate to the time period; and Shaft is always going to be black. There is no need to try and create an equivalency between any of these things; they are driven by the innate traits of character, not superficial looks.

 


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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 17 Jul 17 9.02pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

He could not be Bond in any universe. He can barely speak properly let alone be a suave spy. Denzel Washington might have pulled it off.

If you've seen Chiwetel Ejiofor as the operative in "Serenity", you'll know that he has the sauve and the moves to play Bond.

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Ray in Houston Flag Houston 17 Jul 17 9.38pm Send a Private Message to Ray in Houston Add Ray in Houston as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

So you think that girls are short of 'strong female role models'? Well, they aren't....Star Wars, Ghostbusters, Wonder Woman,..We can't move for them and that's just in movies....

I've cut out all the generic mysoginy in your post, because it lack's the credibility necessary to earn a response, and I'll focus on the movie thing.

Are you f***ing kidding? There have been 16 movies in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, none of which have featured a female character as the lead. There are 8 more scheduled, of which the same is true. Wonder Woman is part of the DC Comics universe which is, Catwoman aside, awash with dicks. Star Wars originally had one female lead amidst a sausage fest, and now it has a new one. It's one of the worst examples of gender equality in movie making ever; Leia had her moments but it was just her with hundreds of dudes and when the chips were down, the woman stayed at home while the men went off to fight. Ghostbusters is a remake converting male leads into female ones; which is fine, but it's hardly proof of gender equality in Hollywood when the vast majority of movies are still driven - almost exclusively - by male characters.

 


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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 17 Jul 17 10.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by Ray in Houston


I think the difference is that Bond is a generic character - originally written as white man because in 1950s Britain that's who would be working at MI6 - while Shaft is written as a culturally-specific character.

There's no reason, therefore, why a Bond updated to the 21st century can't be any race, creed, colour, gender or sexual orientation. Shaft, conversely, is locked in because his race defines a significant portion of his character. Perhaps you could make Shaft a black female with a overcharged libido, but then the name takes on a slightly looser connotation. Maybe a gay black female, because that way she could still be a sex machine to all the chicks.

Anyway, this stuff happens all the time. One of the more notable examples was in the original Alien, where Ripley was written as a man (and Sigourney Weaver was originally cast as whiny-Lambert). Now, Alien would've been fine with Ripley being male, but isn't the movie world a little brighter for having an arse-kicking lead female character like Ripley?

So, Dr. Who, being an alien taking on human form, can take on whatever form it wants; Bond can be anything that's appropriate to the time period; and Shaft is always going to be black. There is no need to try and create an equivalency between any of these things; they are driven by the innate traits of character, not superficial looks.

Bond is culturally specific as well. He had a Scottish father and a Swiss mother.
The simple fact is that I want Bond to be White. I am white and he has always been written as white. I'm happy with that.

 

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Originally posted by Ray in Houston

If you've seen Chiwetel Ejiofor as the operative in "Serenity", you'll know that he has the sauve and the moves to play Bond.

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I like both Chiwetel Ejiofor and Idris Elba but not as Bond.

 

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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

Bond is culturally specific as well. He had a Scottish father and a Swiss mother.

If Bond is set in current times, there's every chance that, from that union, he could be black.

 


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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

I like both Chiwetel Ejiofor and Idris Elba but not as Bond.

The difference between you and me is that I want the representation of Bond to be done well; you want white first, quality second. There's a word for that.

 


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