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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.15pm
Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that. Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.15pm

Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that.

Big chest and massive boobs

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matt_himself Matataland 19 Apr 17 5.21pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that. Quite right, Michael, let's talk about the election. For whom will you cast your vote? "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 19 Apr 17 5.21pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that.

Quite right, Michael, let's talk about the election.

For whom will you cast your vote?

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Apr 17 5.25pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that. Yeah that would be all the over staffing under Labour.
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Originally posted by Kermit8

Unemployment rose from 1million to 3 million within the first five years of Maggie's tenure but we won't talk about that.

Yeah that would be all the over staffing under Labour.

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Kermit8 Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.25pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Quite right, Michael, let's talk about the election. For whom will you cast your vote? One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort. No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold? Big chest and massive boobs [Link]
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Hevon 19 Apr 17 5.25pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

Quite right, Michael, let's talk about the election.

For whom will you cast your vote?

One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort.

No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold?

Big chest and massive boobs

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.30pm
Originally posted by matt_himself Is it the governments responsibility to retrain people who have 'spent their whole lives down mines or making rubbish cars'? In my opinion they should provide retraining schemes for such structural changes which impact large numbers of people. So yes it is.
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Originally posted by matt_himself

Is it the governments responsibility to retrain people who have 'spent their whole lives down mines or making rubbish cars'?

In my opinion they should provide retraining schemes for such structural changes which impact large numbers of people. So yes it is.

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Hrolf The Ganger 19 Apr 17 5.35pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort. No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold? You might as well not bother. And are there any examples of Greens who are sorts? They usually look like the 'man' in a lesbian relationship.
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Hrolf The Ganger

19 Apr 17 5.35pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort.

No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold?

You might as well not bother.

And are there any examples of Greens who are sorts?
They usually look like the 'man' in a lesbian relationship.

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 19 Apr 17 5.37pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger You might as well not bother. And are there any examples of Greens who are sorts? They usually look like the 'man' in a lesbian relationship. Misogyny apologist.
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Shizzlehurst 19 Apr 17 5.37pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

You might as well not bother.

And are there any examples of Greens who are sorts?
They usually look like the 'man' in a lesbian relationship.

Misogyny apologist.

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matt_himself Matataland 19 Apr 17 5.40pm
Originally posted by Kermit8 One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort. No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold? There is a point in voting UKIP. We don't want May doing anything other than what the people voted for last year - a clean Brexit. The ballot sheet was clear, voting out meant out. May needs to be held to account on this and not wuss out and water this down. UKIP are the only ones who will do this. However, I would rather have May in than Jezza or that bellend Farron in a coalition, so I may end up tactically voting in order to make sure that the 'progressives' stay out of power. However, I do feel the same as Cucking. They are pretty much all a shower of s***e, career orientated bellends. Only Sir Nigel and a few other politicians, for example although I detest his politics Dennis Skinner, deserve any praise, for being principled. "That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02
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Matataland 19 Apr 17 5.40pm

Originally posted by Kermit8

One of the lower down candidates. Maybe The Green's if she is a sort.

No point in you voting UKIP now is there? Back to the blue fold?

There is a point in voting UKIP. We don't want May doing anything other than what the people voted for last year - a clean Brexit. The ballot sheet was clear, voting out meant out.

May needs to be held to account on this and not wuss out and water this down. UKIP are the only ones who will do this.

However, I would rather have May in than Jezza or that bellend Farron in a coalition, so I may end up tactically voting in order to make sure that the 'progressives' stay out of power.

However, I do feel the same as Cucking. They are pretty much all a shower of s***e, career orientated bellends. Only Sir Nigel and a few other politicians, for example although I detest his politics Dennis Skinner, deserve any praise, for being principled.

"That was fun and to round off the day, I am off to steal a charity collection box and then desecrate a place of worship.” - Smokey, The Selhurst Arms, 26/02/02

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.44pm
Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger We are all far better off regardless of any increase in wealth for the super rich. I would have to ask. How well off would we all have to be before the left were content? They thrive on the idea that society is unfair but the truth is that we have never been prosperous. Transition in industry occurs continuously and if you don't keep up you die. The misuse of union power in the 70's and the related lack of productivity and quality and over staffing decided the fate of much of manufacturing. The coal miners were the poster boys for holding the country and government to ransom and they paid the price. The rest of us have benefited as a result. That view supposes the UK is the only country to have experienced anything like this. It isn't. Other developed countries have managed to deal with economic transitions and avoided huge increases in inequality. Other countries have also managed to increase levels of productivity way above what the UK has managed. Inequality is massively inefficient and harmful. Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel Laureate) has written quite persuasively on the matter and a summary of a talk he gave a couple of years ago is here [Link] But google inequality and Stiglitz and you will find a number of well written articles and interviews on the matter. We're definitely not all better off and furthermore the question (much more difficult to answer) should be whether we are better off than we could have been if a different course had been taken. I'd argue almost certainly not given the examples of other countries, the balance of payments problem, low productivity, high inequality and the state some parts of the country are in today.
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Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.44pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

We are all far better off regardless of any increase in wealth for the super rich.
I would have to ask. How well off would we all have to be before the left were content?
They thrive on the idea that society is unfair but the truth is that we have never been prosperous.
Transition in industry occurs continuously and if you don't keep up you die. The misuse of union power in the 70's and the related lack of productivity and quality and over staffing decided the fate of much of manufacturing. The coal miners were the poster boys for holding the country and government to ransom and they paid the price. The rest of us have benefited as a result.

That view supposes the UK is the only country to have experienced anything like this. It isn't. Other developed countries have managed to deal with economic transitions and avoided huge increases in inequality. Other countries have also managed to increase levels of productivity way above what the UK has managed.

Inequality is massively inefficient and harmful. Joseph Stiglitz (Nobel Laureate) has written quite persuasively on the matter and a summary of a talk he gave a couple of years ago is here [Link]

But google inequality and Stiglitz and you will find a number of well written articles and interviews on the matter.

We're definitely not all better off and furthermore the question (much more difficult to answer) should be whether we are better off than we could have been if a different course had been taken. I'd argue almost certainly not given the examples of other countries, the balance of payments problem, low productivity, high inequality and the state some parts of the country are in today.

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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Apr 17 5.47pm
Speaking to a number of people across the political spectrum and reading various articles it would appear that the consensus formed is thus : Conservatives will win with a substantially increased majority. Labour will lose a large number of seats. Lib Dems will gain quite a few seats, perhaps re-gaining some lost in the 2015 election particularly in their previous stronghold in the South-West. UKIP will fair badly. SNP will once again do very well in Scotland. Labour could be looking for a new leader on June 9th. I am really looking forward to seeing the results roll-in !!!!
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South coast - west of Brighton. 19 Apr 17 5.47pm

Speaking to a number of people across the political spectrum and reading various articles it would appear that the consensus formed is thus :

Conservatives will win with a substantially increased majority.
Labour will lose a large number of seats.
Lib Dems will gain quite a few seats, perhaps re-gaining some lost in the 2015 election particularly in their previous stronghold in the South-West.
UKIP will fair badly.
SNP will once again do very well in Scotland.
Labour could be looking for a new leader on June 9th.

I am really looking forward to seeing the results roll-in !!!!

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.52pm
Originally posted by matt_himself There is a point in voting UKIP. We don't want May doing anything other than what the people voted for last year - a clean Brexit. The ballot sheet was clear, voting out meant out. May needs to be held to account on this and not wuss out and water this down. UKIP are the only ones who will do this. However, I would rather have May in than Jezza or that bellend Farron in a coalition, so I may end up tactically voting in order to make sure that the 'progressives' stay out of power. However, I do feel the same as Cucking. They are pretty much all a shower of s***e, career orientated bellends. Only Sir Nigel and a few other politicians, for example although I detest his politics Dennis Skinner, deserve any praise, for being principled. I'm pretty sure all it said was "leave the EU". Not "clean brexit". If you look at the raft of promises made by the leave camp they include things like single market access and a number of other things which imply anything other than a "clean brexit". The fact is lots of people voted to leave the EU but not for the same reasons and not with the same vision for brexit. At least now that can be set partially right as parties can say what brexit actually means in their manifestos. Don't forget the Leave campaign was chaired by a Labour MP. It's like the Scottish referendum. Leaving the UK means many different things depending on who you ask. Noone currently has any mandate to set our future course outside the EU only to "leave the EU" but after that the direction is unclear. Lib Dems have ruled out a coalition with Labour I believe.
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Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.52pm

Originally posted by matt_himself

There is a point in voting UKIP. We don't want May doing anything other than what the people voted for last year - a clean Brexit. The ballot sheet was clear, voting out meant out.

May needs to be held to account on this and not wuss out and water this down. UKIP are the only ones who will do this.

However, I would rather have May in than Jezza or that bellend Farron in a coalition, so I may end up tactically voting in order to make sure that the 'progressives' stay out of power.

I'm pretty sure all it said was "leave the EU". Not "clean brexit". If you look at the raft of promises made by the leave camp they include things like single market access and a number of other things which imply anything other than a "clean brexit".

The fact is lots of people voted to leave the EU but not for the same reasons and not with the same vision for brexit. At least now that can be set partially right as parties can say what brexit actually means in their manifestos. Don't forget the Leave campaign was chaired by a Labour MP. It's like the Scottish referendum. Leaving the UK means many different things depending on who you ask. Noone currently has any mandate to set our future course outside the EU only to "leave the EU" but after that the direction is unclear.

Lib Dems have ruled out a coalition with Labour I believe.

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CambridgeEagle Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.53pm
Originally posted by Willo Speaking to a number of people across the political spectrum and reading various articles it would appear that the consensus formed is thus : Conservatives will win with a substantially increased majority. Labour will lose a large number of seats. Lib Dems will gain quite a few seats, perhaps re-gaining some lost in the 2015 election particularly in their previous stronghold in the South-West. UKIP will fair badly. SNP will once again do very well in Scotland. Labour could be looking for a new leader on June 9th. I am really looking forward to seeing the results roll-in !!!! I'd say this is quite a succinct summary of the current most likely scenario. A lot can change between now and then. Tim Farron doing a good job today of putting his foot in it for instance!
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Sydenham 19 Apr 17 5.53pm

Originally posted by Willo

Speaking to a number of people across the political spectrum and reading various articles it would appear that the consensus formed is thus :

I am really looking forward to seeing the results roll-in !!!!

I'd say this is quite a succinct summary of the current most likely scenario. A lot can change between now and then. Tim Farron doing a good job today of putting his foot in it for instance!

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