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Forest Hillbilly in a hidey-hole 23 Mar 17 11.27am
Originally posted by Part Time James The McCanns refused to allow blood testing of the twins until several months after the 'abduction'. But how would Kate and Gerry McCann get hold of sedatives and know how long they'd take to leave the children's systems? Did they have any medical background at all? certainly their careers as doctors are fcked. who would book an appointment with either of them ? I hope the truth is outed, as soon as possible I disengage, I turn the page.
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Originally posted by Part Time James

The McCanns refused to allow blood testing of the twins until several months after the 'abduction'. But how would Kate and Gerry McCann get hold of sedatives and know how long they'd take to leave the children's systems? Did they have any medical background at all?

certainly their careers as doctors are fcked.

who would book an appointment with either of them ?

I hope the truth is outed, as soon as possible

I disengage, I turn the page.

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Part Time James 23 Mar 17 11.30am
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly certainly their careers as doctors are fcked. who would book an appointment with either of them ? I hope the truth is outed, as soon as possible I wouldn't book a GP appointment with them, but if I had done a crime and didn't want anyone to be allowed to gather any evidence about it and I wanted lessons on how to say "no comment" 48 times then they'd be top of my list.
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Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

certainly their careers as doctors are fcked.

who would book an appointment with either of them ?

I hope the truth is outed, as soon as possible

I wouldn't book a GP appointment with them, but if I had done a crime and didn't want anyone to be allowed to gather any evidence about it and I wanted lessons on how to say "no comment" 48 times then they'd be top of my list.

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 1.04pm
Originally posted by Part Time James The McCanns refused to allow blood testing of the twins until several months after the 'abduction'. But how would Kate and Gerry McCann get hold of sedatives and know how long they'd take to leave the children's systems? Did they have any medical background at all? The police can obtain a warrant for a blood test if they have reasonable evidence - such as doctors saying that the twins slumber was unnatural - or sedatives were found at the scene. Of course a positive sign wouldn't mean that the parents had sedated the children. Its not unusual for abductors to sedate children either (as it makes them more compliant, and forgetful). If you were innocent, and took the tests, and it came back positive, the police focus would shift to you, which if your were innocent is a bad situation - as a medical professional with access to drugs, and a motive to sedate your own kids. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Mar 17 1.04pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

The police can obtain a warrant for a blood test if they have reasonable evidence - such as doctors saying that the twins slumber was unnatural - or sedatives were found at the scene.

Of course a positive sign wouldn't mean that the parents had sedated the children. Its not unusual for abductors to sedate children either (as it makes them more compliant, and forgetful).

If you were innocent, and took the tests, and it came back positive, the police focus would shift to you, which if your were innocent is a bad situation - as a medical professional with access to drugs, and a motive to sedate your own kids.

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Part Time James 23 Mar 17 1.48pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 The police can obtain a warrant for a blood test if they have reasonable evidence - such as doctors saying that the twins slumber was unnatural - or sedatives were found at the scene. Of course a positive sign wouldn't mean that the parents had sedated the children. Its not unusual for abductors to sedate children either (as it makes them more compliant, and forgetful). If you were innocent, and took the tests, and it came back positive, the police focus would shift to you, which if your were innocent is a bad situation - as a medical professional with access to drugs, and a motive to sedate your own kids. It's one example of many. Forget that, but there is a lot of help the McCanns could've given the police that they appear to have decided not to. I take your point, if they were innocent then they'd want to avoid being accused and no doubt their expensive lawyers would've advised them too. But at the same time, a little girl went missing or died while their main focus seemed to be not getting implicated in that. I am concerned that their primary focus never really seemed to be the welfare of their little girl. Watch some of the interviews on YouTube and tell me you really believe finding Madeleine was their number 1 motivation. Personally, if it were me (very hard to say, I will concede) but I'd rather be implicated, investigated and ultimately ruled out or not than avoid cooperation to the potential detriment of finding my child. Edited by Part Time James (23 Mar 2017 1.49pm)
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23 Mar 17 1.48pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

The police can obtain a warrant for a blood test if they have reasonable evidence - such as doctors saying that the twins slumber was unnatural - or sedatives were found at the scene.

Of course a positive sign wouldn't mean that the parents had sedated the children. Its not unusual for abductors to sedate children either (as it makes them more compliant, and forgetful).

It's one example of many. Forget that, but there is a lot of help the McCanns could've given the police that they appear to have decided not to. I take your point, if they were innocent then they'd want to avoid being accused and no doubt their expensive lawyers would've advised them too.

But at the same time, a little girl went missing or died while their main focus seemed to be not getting implicated in that.

I am concerned that their primary focus never really seemed to be the welfare of their little girl. Watch some of the interviews on YouTube and tell me you really believe finding Madeleine was their number 1 motivation. Personally, if it were me (very hard to say, I will concede) but I'd rather be implicated, investigated and ultimately ruled out or not than avoid cooperation to the potential detriment of finding my child.

Edited by Part Time James (23 Mar 2017 1.49pm)

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Stirlingsays 23 Mar 17 2.10pm
I've never felt comfortable with some of the accusations against the McCanns.....The evidence isn't there. On the other hand I recognise that there is legitimate criticism. I must admit, I've never been able to have a firm view on this one....other than to give them a healthy 'benefit of the doubt'. Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2017 2.11pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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23 Mar 17 2.10pm

I've never felt comfortable with some of the accusations against the McCanns.....The evidence isn't there.

On the other hand I recognise that there is legitimate criticism.

I must admit, I've never been able to have a firm view on this one....other than to give them a healthy 'benefit of the doubt'.

Edited by Stirlingsays (23 Mar 2017 2.11pm)

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Mar 17 2.15pm
Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly And they are still spunking charidee money on legal challenges. [Link] It has been obvious from the very start that the Portuguese courts would stick by Goncalo Amaral as that is the norm out there. I would have thought that the McCanns would have realised that after the two previous court sessions. Goncalo Amaral seems like a right seedy money grabbing bar steward when you see his face. I would like to think that missing Maddie is found so as to put this case to bed. Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 23 Mar 17 2.15pm

Originally posted by Forest Hillbilly

And they are still spunking charidee money on legal challenges.

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It has been obvious from the very start that the Portuguese courts would stick by Goncalo Amaral as that is the norm out there. I would have thought that the McCanns would have realised that after the two previous court sessions. Goncalo Amaral seems like a right seedy money grabbing bar steward when you see his face.
I would like to think that missing Maddie is found so as to put this case to bed.

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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Part Time James 23 Mar 17 3.45pm
Originally posted by susmik It has been obvious from the very start that the Portuguese courts would stick by Goncalo Amaral as that is the norm out there. I would have thought that the McCanns would have realised that after the two previous court sessions. Goncalo Amaral seems like a right seedy money grabbing bar steward when you see his face. I would like to think that missing Maddie is found so as to put this case to bed. I guess that it's probably fitting to judge Amaral by his face as we have judged Gerry McCann by his. Touche!
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23 Mar 17 3.45pm

Originally posted by susmik

I guess that it's probably fitting to judge Amaral by his face as we have judged Gerry McCann by his. Touche!

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 4.09pm
Originally posted by Part Time James It's one example of many. Forget that, but there is a lot of help the McCanns could've given the police that they appear to have decided not to. I take your point, if they were innocent then they'd want to avoid being accused and no doubt their expensive lawyers would've advised them too. But at the same time, a little girl went missing or died while their main focus seemed to be not getting implicated in that. I am concerned that their primary focus never really seemed to be the welfare of their little girl. Watch some of the interviews on YouTube and tell me you really believe finding Madeleine was their number 1 motivation. Personally, if it were me (very hard to say, I will concede) but I'd rather be implicated, investigated and ultimately ruled out or not than avoid cooperation to the potential detriment of finding my child. Edited by Part Time James (23 Mar 2017 1.49pm) Yeah, but then if your the kind of parent who'd go to dinner and leave their kids in the room, alone, and 'check on them every 20 minutes or so', you're probably more concerned about yourself than your kids. If the police turn attention to you, then their focus will shift from looking for a missing kid, to trying you, Portuguese police don't seem to be very proficient - the usual UK policy is to divide the investigation into two separate approaches (one for the family and one for the search). If they did it, the real question is how did they dispose of the body, in a short time scale, so effectively as not to be found - I can't imagine they had much time between going to dinner and reporting her missing. I think if they did it, she was dead and disposed of before they went out to dinner, possibly the night before. The cover of being 'poor parents' is quite a good one (because you get blamed but your not seen as guilty - just being negligent). "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Mar 17 4.09pm

Originally posted by Part Time James

But at the same time, a little girl went missing or died while their main focus seemed to be not getting implicated in that.

Edited by Part Time James (23 Mar 2017 1.49pm)

Yeah, but then if your the kind of parent who'd go to dinner and leave their kids in the room, alone, and 'check on them every 20 minutes or so', you're probably more concerned about yourself than your kids.

If the police turn attention to you, then their focus will shift from looking for a missing kid, to trying you, Portuguese police don't seem to be very proficient - the usual UK policy is to divide the investigation into two separate approaches (one for the family and one for the search).

If they did it, the real question is how did they dispose of the body, in a short time scale, so effectively as not to be found - I can't imagine they had much time between going to dinner and reporting her missing.

I think if they did it, she was dead and disposed of before they went out to dinner, possibly the night before. The cover of being 'poor parents' is quite a good one (because you get blamed but your not seen as guilty - just being negligent).

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Part Time James 23 Mar 17 4.19pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, but then if your the kind of parent who'd go to dinner and leave their kids in the room, alone, and 'check on them every 20 minutes or so', you're probably more concerned about yourself than your kids. If the police turn attention to you, then their focus will shift from looking for a missing kid, to trying you, Portuguese police don't seem to be very proficient - the usual UK policy is to divide the investigation into two separate approaches (one for the family and one for the search). If they did it, the real question is how did they dispose of the body, in a short time scale, so effectively as not to be found - I can't imagine they had much time between going to dinner and reporting her missing. I think if they did it, she was dead and disposed of before they went out to dinner, possibly the night before. The cover of being 'poor parents' is quite a good one (because you get blamed but your not seen as guilty - just being negligent). So you're working to a time-scale the suspects have given the police/public? (And they are technically suspects given that they have not yet been proven innocent). No one has been able to prove that she had been with them on the day and I think a number of days leading up to the 'abduction'. (When I say a 'number of days' it's because I can't remember how many, but I am talking in the region of 2 or 3, not weeks or anything). Agreed, either way though, there's got to be criticism for them. I'm not saying they killed her, that'd be a stupid thing to say based on tittle tattle. I just think that a lot of parents would AT LEAST get in trouble for neglect if they weren't as powerful as the McCanns seem to be.
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23 Mar 17 4.19pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

So you're working to a time-scale the suspects have given the police/public? (And they are technically suspects given that they have not yet been proven innocent). No one has been able to prove that she had been with them on the day and I think a number of days leading up to the 'abduction'. (When I say a 'number of days' it's because I can't remember how many, but I am talking in the region of 2 or 3, not weeks or anything).

Agreed, either way though, there's got to be criticism for them. I'm not saying they killed her, that'd be a stupid thing to say based on tittle tattle. I just think that a lot of parents would AT LEAST get in trouble for neglect if they weren't as powerful as the McCanns seem to be.

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gambler Kent 23 Mar 17 4.22pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Yeah, but then if your the kind of parent who'd go to dinner and leave their kids in the room, alone, and 'check on them every 20 minutes or so', you're probably more concerned about yourself than your kids. If the police turn attention to you, then their focus will shift from looking for a missing kid, to trying you, Portuguese police don't seem to be very proficient - the usual UK policy is to divide the investigation into two separate approaches (one for the family and one for the search). If they did it, the real question is how did they dispose of the body, in a short time scale, so effectively as not to be found - I can't imagine they had much time between going to dinner and reporting her missing. I think if they did it, she was dead and disposed of before they went out to dinner, possibly the night before. The cover of being 'poor parents' is quite a good one (because you get blamed but your not seen as guilty - just being negligent). Says who? This is yet more spin from the mccanns from day one. Portugal isn't a third world country is it? Don't they have paedophiles in Portugal? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they're well versed in these investigations. They were between a rock and a hard place only due to the actions of the mccanns in getting PR involved very early on. Take them down. Edited by gambler (23 Mar 2017 4.22pm)
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Kent 23 Mar 17 4.22pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

If the police turn attention to you, then their focus will shift from looking for a missing kid, to trying you, Portuguese police don't seem to be very proficient - the usual UK policy is to divide the investigation into two separate approaches (one for the family and one for the search).

Says who? This is yet more spin from the mccanns from day one. Portugal isn't a third world country is it? Don't they have paedophiles in Portugal? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they're well versed in these investigations. They were between a rock and a hard place only due to the actions of the mccanns in getting PR involved very early on. Take them down.

Edited by gambler (23 Mar 2017 4.22pm)

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jamiemartin721 Reading 23 Mar 17 4.30pm
Originally posted by gambler Says who? This is yet more spin from the mccanns from day one. Portugal isn't a third world country is it? Don't they have paedophiles in Portugal? I'm sure they do. I'm sure they're well versed in these investigations. They were between a rock and a hard place only due to the actions of the mccanns in getting PR involved very early on. Take them down. Edited by gambler (23 Mar 2017 4.22pm) Well allowing suspects to dictate your investigation, improperly securing crime scenes and suspicious locations, failing to split their investigation into the family and the abduction all spring to mind. The police should control the investigation, even if the 'family' try to interfere with that. "One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug" [Link]
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Reading 23 Mar 17 4.30pm

Originally posted by gambler

Edited by gambler (23 Mar 2017 4.22pm)

Well allowing suspects to dictate your investigation, improperly securing crime scenes and suspicious locations, failing to split their investigation into the family and the abduction all spring to mind. The police should control the investigation, even if the 'family' try to interfere with that.

"One Nation Under God, has turned into One Nation Under the Influence of One Drug"
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Part Time James 23 Mar 17 6.50pm
Originally posted by jamiemartin721 Well allowing suspects to dictate your investigation, improperly securing crime scenes and suspicious locations, failing to split their investigation into the family and the abduction all spring to mind. The police should control the investigation, even if the 'family' try to interfere with that. Remember when Jimmy Saville allowed the police in the UK to investigate him? Me neither.
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23 Mar 17 6.50pm

Originally posted by jamiemartin721

Remember when Jimmy Saville allowed the police in the UK to investigate him? Me neither.

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