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DanH SW2 09 Nov 16 1.48pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative. Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes. The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump Looking at the vote breakdown the lower income voters voted for Hilary over Trump. The demographic with the highest proportion of voters for Trump is white males with an income of £50,000 to $99,999 looking at the stats.
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SW2 09 Nov 16 1.48pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Firstly I dont think there was a surge in support I think his vote was always stronger than it appeared for the same reason here polls understate the Conservative vote - because of what has been described here as "shy Tories" those that dont want to tell pollsters that they are voting conservative.

Secondly from the exit polls I have seen white voters overwhelmingly voted for Trump. He won the Male college educated and the non-college educated vote easily and the non-college-educated women as well. The only demographic that Clinton one was college educated women amongst white votes.

The Democrats need to take a long hard look at the message it is sending to middle/working class voters that the prefer Trump

Looking at the vote breakdown the lower income voters voted for Hilary over Trump. The demographic with the highest proportion of voters for Trump is white males with an income of £50,000 to $99,999 looking at the stats.

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 09 Nov 16 1.51pm
Originally posted by Rubin Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc... She has been stupid but broken no laws She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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In The Crowd 09 Nov 16 1.51pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc...

She has been stupid but broken no laws

She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.58pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama. Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 09 Nov 16 1.58pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Around 8% of black votes and 27% of Latino according to CNN. Almost exactly the same as Romney though Clintons vote was 5% down compared to Obama.

Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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regal_eagle somewhere 09 Nov 16 2.01pm
Originally posted by mezzer Get your money on Michelle Obama as next US President now. At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown. You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago
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somewhere 09 Nov 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by mezzer

Get your money on Michelle Obama as next US President now.

At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown.

You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago

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Rubin 09 Nov 16 2.01pm
Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch She has been stupid but broken no laws She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven. We'll have to wait and see what happens over the coming years, once the investigation has been finished. The FBI have never closed it. Bill Clinton paid off one of the rape victims with $800,000 back when that was a lot of money, although that side of things wasn't bought up in my list. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old by smearing the victim, and has laughed about it in recordings since.
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09 Nov 16 2.01pm

Originally posted by Y Ddraig Goch

She has been stupid but broken no laws

She along with Bill has been investigated countless times for a variety of crimes from sexual assault to misappropriation of funds along with god knows what else. Bugger all has been proven.

We'll have to wait and see what happens over the coming years, once the investigation has been finished. The FBI have never closed it.

Bill Clinton paid off one of the rape victims with $800,000 back when that was a lot of money, although that side of things wasn't bought up in my list. She also defended the rapist of a 12 year old by smearing the victim, and has laughed about it in recordings since.

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.02pm
Originally posted by Rubin Wikileaks that have come out over the last month, email scandal (people have gone to prison for doing 20% of what she has), Benghazi, russian uranium deal, Haiti, taking money from Saudi whilst claiming to be for women and gay rights, pay for play, strangely large speech payments from Wall Street etc... Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI As for Immoral? Quite a lot of her opponents are paid for speeches. Personally I would have trouble supporting her against almost anyone given her contributions from Wall Street and Corporate America but thats more a criticism of the way the US political system works where politicians spend half their day fundraising from the richest people which rather skews their views because that is who they are speaking to. Most of the rest you are just throwing mud even taking the Saudi cash would depend on how the cash was used. Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around
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Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.02pm

Originally posted by Rubin

Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI

As for Immoral? Quite a lot of her opponents are paid for speeches. Personally I would have trouble supporting her against almost anyone given her contributions from Wall Street and Corporate America but thats more a criticism of the way the US political system works where politicians spend half their day fundraising from the richest people which rather skews their views because that is who they are speaking to. Most of the rest you are just throwing mud even taking the Saudi cash would depend on how the cash was used.

Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around

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dannyh wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 16 2.07pm
BRITAIN : "voting for Brexit was the most idiotic thing the world has ever seen" USA : "Hold my drink". "It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"
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wherever I lay my hat....... 09 Nov 16 2.07pm

BRITAIN : "voting for Brexit was the most idiotic thing the world has ever seen"

USA : "Hold my drink".

"It's not the bullet that's got my name on it that concerns me; it's all them other ones flyin' around marked 'To Whom It May Concern.'"

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Henry of Peckham Eton Mess 09 Nov 16 2.14pm
Could simply be that people were ready for a change but didn't think Hillary could offer anything different? She is not exactly "Snow White" anyway. Also, it has always been claimed that the older white male population were the ones most likely to vote. Perhaps all those who might have been offended by rascist or sexist comments in the run in didn't turn out in sufficient numbers to register their protest vote? I notice our stock market is not particularly bothered by the result and sterling has appreciated only 0.3% against the dollar. Edited by Henry of Peckham (09 Nov 2016 2.19pm) Denial is not just a river in Egypt
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Could simply be that people were ready for a change but didn't think Hillary could offer anything different? She is not exactly "Snow White" anyway.

Also, it has always been claimed that the older white male population were the ones most likely to vote. Perhaps all those who might have been offended by rascist or sexist comments in the run in didn't turn out in sufficient numbers to register their protest vote?

I notice our stock market is not particularly bothered by the result and sterling has appreciated only 0.3% against the dollar.

Edited by Henry of Peckham (09 Nov 2016 2.19pm)

Denial is not just a river in Egypt

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.14pm
Originally posted by regal_eagle At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown. You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago Elizabeth Warren?
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Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.14pm

Originally posted by regal_eagle

At the weekend I was going to put money on Ivanka Trump being first female President, but now reckon it will be an Ivanka vs Michelle showdown.

You've gotta feel for all the bookies that paid out on Hillary a couple of weeks ago

Elizabeth Warren?

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Michaelawt85 Bexley 09 Nov 16 2.19pm
At least it wasn't sarah palin When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC
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Bexley 09 Nov 16 2.19pm

At least it wasn't sarah palin

When I was a young girl my Mother said to me.. You listen here kid you're CPFC

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Sedlescombe Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.19pm
Originally posted by Michaelawt85 Thanks . My news watching has been hijacked my my children watching cartoons. The point I was making is I wonder what makes someone black or Hispanic vote for someone who is seemingly racist . On reflection it would be just as interesting to hear from those who switched from democrat to republican in this election. What their reasons were from the horses mouth rather than what the news papers are printing Some have been interviewed in pre election programmes. These things are complex. Some perhaps because they dont define themselves by race and religion. A muslim I watched being interviewed made the case for keeping muslims out of the US as a way of keeping bad guys out. I dont agree with him but he makes the argument that works for him. Others who are doing ok perhaps have a different perspective.
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Sedlescombe 09 Nov 16 2.19pm

Originally posted by Michaelawt85

Some have been interviewed in pre election programmes.

These things are complex. Some perhaps because they dont define themselves by race and religion. A muslim I watched being interviewed made the case for keeping muslims out of the US as a way of keeping bad guys out. I dont agree with him but he makes the argument that works for him. Others who are doing ok perhaps have a different perspective.

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Rubin 09 Nov 16 2.21pm
Originally posted by Sedlescombe Regarding the Criminal I am happier to leave it to the FBI than your assertions. It has been investigated and the Republican who was in charge of the FBI has said there is nothing to charge her over. I have also read - though dont know if it has been verified that Powell and Rice did the same thing. in any case it is unacceptable though apparently not illegal accoring to the Republican in charge of the FBI As for Immoral? Quite a lot of her opponents are paid for speeches. Personally I would have trouble supporting her against almost anyone given her contributions from Wall Street and Corporate America but thats more a criticism of the way the US political system works where politicians spend half their day fundraising from the richest people which rather skews their views because that is who they are speaking to. Most of the rest you are just throwing mud even taking the Saudi cash would depend on how the cash was used. Tell me what you think she should have done differently regarding Benghazi rather than just copying and pasting other peoples partisan assertions. Why not throw in all those accusations of murder that follow her around Most of the republicans deserted Trump and effectively back her, so the investigation being run by a republican doesn't really mean anything. As I said, the investigation is still open, so we'll have to wait and see what happens. Regarding the rest, I understand your hesitancy to believe it as it hasn't been in the readily available media. It's worth looking in to and doing some research if you're interested in finding out more. Stefan Molyneux on YouTube would be a good place to start, as he's very thorough. Edited by Rubin (09 Nov 2016 2.23pm)
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09 Nov 16 2.21pm

Originally posted by Sedlescombe

Most of the republicans deserted Trump and effectively back her, so the investigation being run by a republican doesn't really mean anything. As I said, the investigation is still open, so we'll have to wait and see what happens.

Regarding the rest, I understand your hesitancy to believe it as it hasn't been in the readily available media. It's worth looking in to and doing some research if you're interested in finding out more. Stefan Molyneux on YouTube would be a good place to start, as he's very thorough.

Edited by Rubin (09 Nov 2016 2.23pm)

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