Believe if we fail to get maximum points against Swansea and Hull ,then not over confident of our prospects against City,United,Chelsea or Arsenal,it will be time for change, surely??
We should be beating newly promoted Championship sides like Burnley and Hull,in my humble opinion.

I have calmed down after the weekend now but still feel we have problems.
I agree that we should be thinking mid table as a Club right now and that doesn't mean pulling up trees all season.
I agree that I wouldn't want Sam Allardyce.
I agree that we got to an FA Cup Final and it was brilliant.
I agree no Manager is perfect and that we need to be careful what we wish for.
I agree that AP is almost certainly working hard and trying his best.
BUT
We are no longer a team with a plan.
We do not appeear to have a passion - maybe we never will until our backs are against the wall again?
We are dropping points to teams around us and we have to play Man City, Man Utd, Chelsea and Arsenal twice as well as some other good teams again - we cannot afford to be dropping these points now - the end of season run in is horrendous - have a look and see.
I do not feel that AP knows what to do.
He says we make terrible mistakes - it is for him to plan and eradicate them in training.
Something seems wrong - i have no idea what it is - whether it is him or the backroom team - but whatever it is it needs dealing with double quick.
His transfers on the whole have been poor - he just seems to buy players and then realise they are not good enough but by then they are tied up on long term contracts and it is too late.
Even Cabaye who is undoubtedly a very good player does not seem to tick - why not?
So many questions and so few answers.
I do also want to state that I and others are sick of being abused for questioning Pardew's ability to manage CPFC - this is a forum for views and discussion isn't it?
Just because we don't all agree doesn't make one set of fans wrong does it?
I want AP to succeed - trouble is I don't know how he will as he is a man without a plan.

Edited by The Dolphin (07 Nov 2016 8.45am)

I got to this word/sentence and stopped reading.

You're tellin me the team doesn't have passion? Coming from 2 goals down at Burnley and Sunderland plus the attempted fight back against Liverpool which was going to plan in the second half if not for wilfs penalty shout to be missed!

Abused? It's just a forum, man up!

Edited by premier fan (07 Nov 2016 9.02am)

much like the brexit thread, Mr Pardew is causing divide amongst us all.

I can see clearly that going forward we are looking better, but, and it's a big But, you have to look at chances missed, lets not forget that the two goals we did score against Liverpool were very fortunate, and also the equaliser at the weekend was a pen from an absolutely mind bogglingly stupid hand ball that won us a free shot at goal.

Point being as much as people bemoan our " bad luck" we have in our defeats had our fair share of fortune.

The loss on Saturday was down to nothing more than gun ho greed, and an arrogance on behalf of the manager. Instead of allowing HIS team to leave one defender on the half way line with seconds of a game left, he should have left Fryers, Ward, and Ledley back on the half way line, if he does that they don't score and we still have 7 to aim for in the box.

Possession football (in your own half) does not win you points,winning does, and we simply have not done enough of that under AP. We made West Ham and Bournemouth look like Barca.

And what is this new passing game all the remain campaign are going on about? Sure we knock it about across our back line with more confidence than before, but other than that there is no difference to the way we used to set up with Pulis, and actually since we have had Benteke there are a lot more long balls pumped up to him from 40 meters away.

Now we have a look at signings, Benteke is obviously a quality addition to any side, Initially I thought Townsend was at least as good as Yannick, not so sure about that now, as for the rest, they are just a bunch of championship players at best, and Jedi wasn't replaced as we were told he would be. And for me the Jury is out on Mandanda, not sure any keeper would look good in front of that back four, so time will tell with him.

As for who could replace AP. I firmly believe that there are many managers out there, that could pull more from the current squad than he is.

I also love that people are digging out Allardyce saying he's a boring one dimensional coach ? well even if that were true, I'd rather the slump was halted and we stayed up, than spend the season watching "thrilling" 3-2 defeats to the likes of West Brom and Swansea and then watch Brighton leap frog past us into the prem whilst we are away Leeds again, Won't be many mind the gap posts then will there ?

Lastly I can't actually believe there are alleged fans of the club on here stating that they would rather us go down than have Allardyce's brand of football at Selhurst. And I'm fairly certain the chairman would agree with me in saying as long as we stay up, the football is secondary.

And just one for the record, I post on here all the time win lose or draw, I wasn't sure about the AP appointment from the off's I thought he was erratic and that showed through in his teams, I have seen nothing to show me I was wrong, except of course we now have lost the ability to defend. Nothing would please me more than for AP to sort his s*** out and get the team playing the way we all know they can. But I firmly believe hos own self importance and arrogance will prevent him from doing so, and the casualty of that arrogance could be our premiership status.

Edited by dannyh (07 Nov 2016 12.01pm)

much like the brexit thread, Mr Pardew is causing divide amongst us all.

I can see clearly that going forward we are looking better, but, and it's a big But, you have to look at chances missed, lets not forget that the two goals we did score against Liverpool were very fortunate, and also the equaliser at the weekend was a pen from an absolutely mind bogglingly stupid hand ball that won us a free shot at goal.

Point being as much as people bemoan our " bad luck" we have in our defeats had our fair share of fortune.

The loss on Saturday was down to nothing more than gun ho greed, and an arrogance on behalf of the manager. Instead of allowing HIS team to leave one defender on the half way line with seconds of a game left, he should have left Fryers, Ward, and Ledley back on the half way line, if he does that they don't score and we still have 7 to aim for in the box.

Possession football (in your own half) does not win you points,winning does, and we simply have not done enough of that under AP. We made West Ham and Bournemouth look like Barca.

And what is this new passing game all the remain campaign are going on about? Sure we knock it about across our back line with more confidence than before, but other than that there is no difference to the way we used to set up with Pulis, and actually since we have had Benteke there are a lot more long balls pumped up to him from 40 meters away.

Now we have a look at signings, Benteke is obviously a quality addition to any side, Initially I thought Townsend was at least as good as Yannick, not so sure about that now, as for the rest, they are just a bunch of championship players at best, and Jedi wasn't replaced as we were told he would be. And for me the Jury is out on Mandanda, not sure any keeper would look good in front of that back four, so time will tell with him.

As for who could replace AP. I firmly believe that there are many managers out there, that could pull more from the current squad than he is.

I also love that people are digging out Allardyce saying he's a boring one dimensional coach ? well even if that were true, I'd rather the slump was halted and we stayed up, than spend the season watching "thrilling" 3-2 defeats to the likes of West Brom and Swansea and then watch Brighton leap frog past us into the prem whilst we are away Leeds again, Won't be many mind the gap posts then will there ?

Lastly I can't actually believe there are alleged fans of the club on here stating that they would rather us go down than have Allardyce's brand of football at Selhurst. And I'm fairly certain the chairman would agree with me in saying as long as we stay up, the football is secondary.

And just one for the record, I post on here all the time win lose or draw, I wasn't sure about the AP appointment from the off's I thought he was erratic and that showed through in his teams, I have seen nothing to show me I was wrong, except of course we now have lost the ability to defend. Nothing would please me more than for AP to sort his s*** out and get the team playing the way we all know they can. But I firmly believe hos own self importance and arrogance will prevent him from doing so, and the casualty of that arrogance could be our premiership status.

Edited by dannyh (07 Nov 2016 12.01pm)