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leggedstruggle  Croydon 04 Aug 15 8.42pm |
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Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong.
Kermit's "analysis" get more and more desperate. First he starts with, "I don't actually have an immigration policy, but uncontrolled immigration is clearly highly beneficial" - so no doubt he thinks we should have more and remove the flimsy controls that we do have. Next he states that immigration is "inevitable" - you know it just sort of happens and you can do nothing about it. Now he is saying we won't know the difference in 150 years time because we will all be mixed race - just like it is in the USA I guess? I expect his next sage comment will be that "it will all turn out alright in the end" - probably Dr. Frankenstein's words as he threw the switch.
And when he's on 'Who Do You Think You Are'.....the raised eyebrows 'oh, dear' bit. That's you, that is Well, If I have a 4g x grandchild, he or she would have 1/64 of my genetics. The other 63 - so what? Anyway, how do you know I will have descendants - I might be a gay trans-sexual for all you know. Edited by leggedstruggle (04 Aug 2015 8.43pm)
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Quote Stirlingsays at 04 Aug 2015 8.42pm
Kermy only speaks for a minority of people....like the rest of the open door immigration supporters on here. 75 percent in England want reduced immigration....Hell even in Scotland.....It's 58 percent.....That's even with their far left nationalists in charge dibbling out their anti Ukip waffle. They don't even represent the real views of the Scottish on the issue......God forbid what the numbers would be if more foreigners actually wanted to live in Scotland.
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Quote Jamesrichards8 at 04 Aug 2015 7.19pm
Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong.
Kermit's "analysis" get more and more desperate. First he starts with, "I don't actually have an immigration policy, but uncontrolled immigration is clearly highly beneficial" - so no doubt he thinks we should have more and remove the flimsy controls that we do have. Next he states that immigration is "inevitable" - you know it just sort of happens and you can do nothing about it. Now he is saying we won't know the difference in 150 years time because we will all be mixed race - just like it is in the USA I guess? I expect his next sage comment will be that "it will all turn out alright in the end" - probably Dr. Frankenstein's words as he threw the switch.
And when he's on 'Who Do You Think You Are'.....the raised eyebrows 'oh, dear' bit. That's you, that is Well, If I have a 4g x grandchild, he or she would have 1/64 of my genetics. The other 63 - so what? Anyway, how do you know I will have descendants - I might be a gay trans-sexual for all you know. Edited by leggedstruggle (04 Aug 2015 8.43pm) I'm pretty certain that you're not a Brighton fan.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 04 Aug 15 8.51pm |
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Quote Jamesrichards8 at 04 Aug 2015 7.19pm
Keep the immigrants coming in. Just don't expect British culture to survive, and don't expect British people to be happy about it. Because it's wrong.
Kermit's "analysis" get more and more desperate. First he starts with, "I don't actually have an immigration policy, but uncontrolled immigration is clearly highly beneficial" - so no doubt he thinks we should have more and remove the flimsy controls that we do have. Next he states that immigration is "inevitable" - you know it just sort of happens and you can do nothing about it. Now he is saying we won't know the difference in 150 years time because we will all be mixed race - just like it is in the USA I guess? I expect his next sage comment will be that "it will all turn out alright in the end" - probably Dr. Frankenstein's words as he threw the switch.
And when he's on 'Who Do You Think You Are'.....the raised eyebrows 'oh, dear' bit. That's you, that is Well, If I have a 4g x grandchild, he or she would have 1/64 of my genetics. The other 63 - so what? Anyway, how do you know I will have descendants - I might be a gay trans-sexual for all you know. Edited by leggedstruggle (04 Aug 2015 8.43pm)
Hope that hasn't put you off your sausage sandwich supper. With ketchup. Edited by Kermit8 (04 Aug 2015 8.52pm)
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| davenotamonkey 04 Aug 15 9.05pm |
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Of interest, it would be helpful if posters could start by defining what they think immigration is. Are you talking about anyone coming here to live, whether legally or not, of any nationality and for any reason? If, on the other hand, you are talking about specific groups, nationalities, races, then please do say so up front. Saves so much time.
As are pretty much 99% of those here legally. Lets be honest they don't come here for the weather or our sandy beaches
For what its worth I totally agree on the asylum part - first 'safe' country you meet should mean that country have the obligation to grant you asylum and you take it or leave it. Edited by The Sash (04 Aug 2015 11.11am)
Interestingly in the first quarter of the year around 250,000 people came to the EU to claim asylum; less than 10,000 came to the UK, over 70,000 went to Germany, with France and Italy receiving over 30,000 each. Even Hungary had 17,000 applicants. The myth that immigrants all want to come to the UK just doesn't stack up. And the availability of benefits and the amount paid to immigrants is not appreciably different to most other EU countries.
No he hasn't. It's complete unsubstantiated bs.
Work it out, mate. Do you have any numbers handy? I have seen many posters claim this and many claim that actually they don't get more in the UK than Germany etc but nobody seems to be providing any actual evidence......
I was questioning the idea that the uk is more generous to immigrants than other EU countries. I had read that they got better benefits in Germany and Sweden. Perhaps you should nip over to Calais and show them what you've read as they clearly believe otherwise. Not necessarily, if true it means that their reasons for coming here are based on something other than a simple economic equation. Here we hit the real issue: it's not about the "facts" of which country doles out the best milk and honey for this lot - it's about what they think is the best country. We can sit here debating whether you get better Elk in Sweden or Wurst in Germany, but they don't care. They (based on interviews with them) perceive (rightly or wrongly) that the UK is the best place for them, and that's where they want to go. It's highly plausible they have a better smattering of English than they do of Swedish or German, so it's UK for them! Coupled with award of a passport after 5 years, the point is utterly moot: they can practice their "freedom of movement" within the EU and go where they want. No amount of fact-finding changes the fact that the perception (no thanks to leftist idiots such as those pervading this board) of the UK as a soft-touch will bring them here in hoardes. We now have between 400,000 and 800,000 illegal immigrants in the UK. The reality is that, whilst Calais is a lens through which to view this, many, many more are entering through other means. Calais is great for false signalling: "look at all these swivel-eyed little Englanders frothing over a few hundred/thousand clamouring to get in from France" is great PR to obfuscate the fact that it is a problem, we aren't addressing it, and we're not even acknowledging its scale.
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| davenotamonkey 04 Aug 15 9.08pm |
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I should also add that the OP is a bit of a hyperbolic fool ("No more immigrants"?), but the kneejerk ("No more Zaha" How about instead we control the quality and quantity of economic migrants into the country, whilst also accepting a sustainable share of **genuine** asylum seekers? I've been called racist for less.
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is just as preposterous.| Stirlingsays 04 Aug 15 9.30pm |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 04 Aug 2015 9.08pm
I should also add that the OP is a bit of a hyperbolic fool ("No more immigrants"?), but the kneejerk ("No more Zaha" How about instead we control the quality and quantity of economic migrants into the country, whilst also accepting a sustainable share of **genuine** asylum seekers?
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 04 Aug 15 9.32pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 04 Aug 2015 8.45pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 04 Aug 2015 8.42pm
Kermy only speaks for a minority of people....like the rest of the open door immigration supporters on here. 75 percent in England want reduced immigration....Hell even in Scotland.....It's 58 percent.....That's even with their far left nationalists in charge dibbling out their anti Ukip waffle. They don't even represent the real views of the Scottish on the issue......God forbid what the numbers would be if more foreigners actually wanted to live in Scotland.
This is the point though Mr. K. you never do explicitly say it. However, you never explicitly deny it either, and you never tell us what your immigration policy is. We have to draw our own conclusions.
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| Stirlingsays 04 Aug 15 9.32pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 04 Aug 2015 8.45pm
Quote Stirlingsays at 04 Aug 2015 8.42pm
Kermy only speaks for a minority of people....like the rest of the open door immigration supporters on here. 75 percent in England want reduced immigration....Hell even in Scotland.....It's 58 percent.....That's even with their far left nationalists in charge dibbling out their anti Ukip waffle. They don't even represent the real views of the Scottish on the issue......God forbid what the numbers would be if more foreigners actually wanted to live in Scotland.
We have open door immigration in relation to the EU. So are you now saying you're against 'freedom of movement'? Because that is open door and that's what I'm referring to.
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| legaleagle 04 Aug 15 9.32pm |
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Quote davenotamonkey at 04 Aug 2015 9.08pm
I should also add that the OP is a bit of a hyperbolic fool ("No more immigrants"?), but the kneejerk ("No more Zaha" How about instead we control the quality and quantity of economic migrants into the country, whilst also accepting a sustainable share of **genuine** asylum seekers? I've been called racist for less. That's not racist.Things like that can sometimes crop up where some of the reasons stimulating someone calling for restrictions on immigration are,for example, being averse per se to and demonising "economic migrants" and "asylum seekers", and seeing the preservation of what they think of as "British culture"as something under deep threat per se from having economic migrants and granting people asylum who qualify. Other than re EU nationals (and pros and cons of free movement of goods,services and labour is a whole other thread in itself,including outward migration),your immigration policy proposal's basically the situation now. We have have a pretty strict policy re non EU economic migrants including a "points-like test" and the numbers granted asylum are not large.People may raise the question of illegal entrants and over stayers,but that doesn't relate to immigration policy itself,but rather to enforcement. I agree that the less the knee jerk hyperbole comes into it,the better the chance for an informed rational discussion.
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| leggedstruggle Croydon 04 Aug 15 9.36pm |
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Quote legaleagle at 04 Aug 2015 9.32pm
Quote davenotamonkey at 04 Aug 2015 9.08pm
I should also add that the OP is a bit of a hyperbolic fool ("No more immigrants"?), but the kneejerk ("No more Zaha" How about instead we control the quality and quantity of economic migrants into the country, whilst also accepting a sustainable share of **genuine** asylum seekers? I've been called racist for less. That's not racist.Things like that can sometimes crop up where some of the reasons stimulating someone calling for restrictions on immigration are,for example, being averse per se to and demonising "economic migrants" and "asylum seekers", and seeing the preservation of what they think of as "British culture"as something under deep threat per se from having economic migrants and granting people asylum who qualify. Other than re EU nationals (and pros and cons of free movement of goods,services and people is a whole other thread in itself,including outward migration),your proposal's basically the situation now. We have have a pretty strict policy re non EU economic migrants including a "points-like test" and the numbers granted asylum are not large.People may raise the question of illegal entrants and over stayers,but that doesn't relate to immigration policy itself,but rather to enforcement. I agree that the less the knee jerk hyperbole comes into it,the better the chance for an informed rational discussion. Edited by legaleagle (04 Aug 2015 9.35pm) LOL
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Quote Stirlingsays at 04 Aug 2015 9.30pm
Quote davenotamonkey at 04 Aug 2015 9.08pm
I should also add that the OP is a bit of a hyperbolic fool ("No more immigrants"?), but the kneejerk ("No more Zaha" How about instead we control the quality and quantity of economic migrants into the country, whilst also accepting a sustainable share of **genuine** asylum seekers?
Stirling appears to be immune to yellow cards despite many of his comments. The first to complain but seems to be made of Teflon for some reason when answered. Old Boys Network?
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