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Quote rcmeagle at 06 May 2015 8.21pm
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not really
Lol the fact is you understood my point. Wow I used the wrong word so of course I am not worth listening to.
Well I don't like arguing with fellow Palace fans (it doesn't feel right) The fact is we all want the same thing the best possible place to live. I don't want that. I want the best life possible for the largest number of people possible. I don't really care if my life gets worse as a result, if the consequence is an improvement in more peoples lives.
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Quote davenotamonkey at 06 May 2015 10.13pm
Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max
As immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, presumably we should encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? They would not come here if there were no jobs or resources to sustain them. Many return home after working here for years and pay a share of their labours into our treasury but leave with the queens English and a close connection with this country. Some stay and settle but would not do so if they had nowhere to live or resources to support them. What is wrong with that? Both do work that indigenous people could do. However, unless we are talking polish deli why do you think employers love to engage Latvians over locals? Is it really just because they are prepared to work for less? And even if it was just that, why don't the local unemployed try to compete? I was unemployed and worked in an office for 6 months taking home only unemployment benefit and lunch and travel money (under an official scheme). I know they are people who put out 100s of applications and must see despair when they walk past a coffee shop with polish people working there. So why don't they ask for a job there too? The problem is they set their sites too high. . Is the problem not those seeking employment who don't realise that if they are doing any job they have more chance of finding another? The problem is to train the unemployed in new skills and finding a job! The solution is not to put a bloody great fence round the country to protect the local population as the lack of healthy competition would be of no benefit to anyone.
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| derben 07 May 15 11.15am |
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Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 11.11am
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Quote davenotamonkey at 06 May 2015 10.13pm
Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max
As immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, presumably we should encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? They would not come here if there were no jobs or resources to sustain them. Many return home after working here for years and pay a share of their labours into our treasury but leave with the queens English and a close connection with this country. Some stay and settle but would not do so if they had nowhere to live or resources to support them. What is wrong with that? Both do work that indigenous people could do. However, unless we are talking polish deli why do you think employers love to engage Latvians over locals? Is it really just because they are prepared to work for less? And even if it was just that, why don't the local unemployed try to compete? I was unemployed and worked in an office for 6 months taking home only unemployment benefit and lunch and travel money (under an official scheme). I know they are people who put out 100s of applications and must see despair when they walk past a coffee shop with polish people working there. So why don't they ask for a job there too? The problem is they set their sites too high. . Is the problem not those seeking employment who don't realise that if they are doing any job they have more chance of finding another? The problem is to train the unemployed in new skills and finding a job! The solution is not to put a bloody great fence round the country to protect the local population as the lack of healthy competition would be of no benefit to anyone. So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here?
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 07 May 15 11.25am |
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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 11.15am
So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here?
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| derben 07 May 15 11.35am |
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So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here?
Why do you ask? Do you have an interest in children?
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| elgrande bedford 07 May 15 12.46pm |
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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 11.35am
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So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here?
Why do you ask? Do you have an interest in children? That was quite a good come back
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| Part Time James 07 May 15 12.48pm |
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So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here?
Why do you ask? Do you have an interest in children? That was quite a good come back
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| silvertop Portishead 07 May 15 12.57pm |
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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 11.15am
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Quote davenotamonkey at 06 May 2015 10.13pm
Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max
As immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, presumably we should encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? They would not come here if there were no jobs or resources to sustain them. Many return home after working here for years and pay a share of their labours into our treasury but leave with the queens English and a close connection with this country. Some stay and settle but would not do so if they had nowhere to live or resources to support them. What is wrong with that? Both do work that indigenous people could do. However, unless we are talking polish deli why do you think employers love to engage Latvians over locals? Is it really just because they are prepared to work for less? And even if it was just that, why don't the local unemployed try to compete? I was unemployed and worked in an office for 6 months taking home only unemployment benefit and lunch and travel money (under an official scheme). I know they are people who put out 100s of applications and must see despair when they walk past a coffee shop with polish people working there. So why don't they ask for a job there too? The problem is they set their sites too high. . Is the problem not those seeking employment who don't realise that if they are doing any job they have more chance of finding another? The problem is to train the unemployed in new skills and finding a job! The solution is not to put a bloody great fence round the country to protect the local population as the lack of healthy competition would be of no benefit to anyone. So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? No. Nor would I haul up the drawbridge and allow protectionism to ruin this country.
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The Sash  Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 07 May 15 1.09pm |
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 06 May 2015 12.57pm
Quote The Sash at 06 May 2015 12.36pm
Quote npn at 05 May 2015 1.46pm
I'm not voting UKIP. I am amazed, however, that a lot of people I know (particularly left-leaning ones, to be fair) seem totally disgusted by them. I had to step into one of those pointless Facebook battles when someone posted that UKIP and their supporters are a disgrace. It seems everyone is in favour of free speech, provided the person speaking agrees with their views. If you don't like UKIP, don't vote for them. Pretty simple. Shouting them down and referring to them as a disgrace, and even trying to associate them with the BNP because of some spurious, vague, and not even verified, assertion that Griffin will be voting for them (he's a far-right person, natural he's going to vote for the furthest right candidate, surely? Just like Mao would probably vote TUSC because they are the closest aligned to his own ideal, not because those ideals are the same) is surely a very poor effort at debate. Exactamundo Always amazes me that people who shout down those they oppose and accuse them of intolerance (and in this case threaten as result) seem to have a massive 'whoosh' at the disclosure of their own intolerance of people who hold a political view counter to their own. Its not even debate - its simply Wolfie Smith Polytechnic level 'right on-ness' white noise.. Edited by The Sash (06 May 2015 12.38pm) In the end, those shouting loudest, usually prosper, because they're easy to shout louder at. I mean who cares if UKIP's employment policy or economic models are feasible, when you can shout Nazi. Said it when Griffin was on Question Time, that going on about the BNP and race is pointless, they're prepared for that, get them on the economics and practicality of policy, and they'll hang themselves. Nothing wrong with being a Neo-Nazi, that's your right, but the trick is making them look stupid, not yourself. I don't really like UKIP, but I think the media love them (they're unspin, full of gaffs and interesting) compared to the mainstream (similarly the Greens). Realistically, they're being presented really as a deflection from the fact that none of the mainstream parties have much to say other than slagging off the others.
The reason the media take a shine to UKIP and The Greens is they are a mixture of common sense and utter lunacy but are both, under our current electoral system absolutely harmless. The Whigs have as much chance of getting MP's than either of them
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| derben 07 May 15 1.12pm |
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Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 12.57pm
Quote derben at 07 May 2015 11.15am
Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 11.11am
Quote derben at 07 May 2015 8.02am
Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 10.23pm
Quote davenotamonkey at 06 May 2015 10.13pm
Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max
As immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, presumably we should encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? They would not come here if there were no jobs or resources to sustain them. Many return home after working here for years and pay a share of their labours into our treasury but leave with the queens English and a close connection with this country. Some stay and settle but would not do so if they had nowhere to live or resources to support them. What is wrong with that? Both do work that indigenous people could do. However, unless we are talking polish deli why do you think employers love to engage Latvians over locals? Is it really just because they are prepared to work for less? And even if it was just that, why don't the local unemployed try to compete? I was unemployed and worked in an office for 6 months taking home only unemployment benefit and lunch and travel money (under an official scheme). I know they are people who put out 100s of applications and must see despair when they walk past a coffee shop with polish people working there. So why don't they ask for a job there too? The problem is they set their sites too high. . Is the problem not those seeking employment who don't realise that if they are doing any job they have more chance of finding another? The problem is to train the unemployed in new skills and finding a job! The solution is not to put a bloody great fence round the country to protect the local population as the lack of healthy competition would be of no benefit to anyone. So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? No. Nor would I haul up the drawbridge and allow protectionism to ruin this country. Protectionism? You mean like the EU Common Agricultural Policy that eats 40% of the EU budget, the largest slice being used to keep French farmers in 4-wheel-drives with artificially high food prices and the dumping of food that could be sent to famine areas?
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| lankygit Lincoln 07 May 15 1.19pm |
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Quote derben at 07 May 2015 1.12pm
Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 12.57pm
Quote derben at 07 May 2015 11.15am
Quote silvertop at 07 May 2015 11.11am
Quote derben at 07 May 2015 8.02am
Quote nickgusset at 06 May 2015 10.23pm
Quote davenotamonkey at 06 May 2015 10.13pm
Grauniad and EU-funded UCL research groups (regurgitated by C4) matter not one iota when you cannot confront the fundamental metric of economic strength: the fractional change in GDP. The figures are there plain as day: pre 1995 : 3% growth, 50,000 net immigration max
As immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, presumably we should encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? They would not come here if there were no jobs or resources to sustain them. Many return home after working here for years and pay a share of their labours into our treasury but leave with the queens English and a close connection with this country. Some stay and settle but would not do so if they had nowhere to live or resources to support them. What is wrong with that? Both do work that indigenous people could do. However, unless we are talking polish deli why do you think employers love to engage Latvians over locals? Is it really just because they are prepared to work for less? And even if it was just that, why don't the local unemployed try to compete? I was unemployed and worked in an office for 6 months taking home only unemployment benefit and lunch and travel money (under an official scheme). I know they are people who put out 100s of applications and must see despair when they walk past a coffee shop with polish people working there. So why don't they ask for a job there too? The problem is they set their sites too high. . Is the problem not those seeking employment who don't realise that if they are doing any job they have more chance of finding another? The problem is to train the unemployed in new skills and finding a job! The solution is not to put a bloody great fence round the country to protect the local population as the lack of healthy competition would be of no benefit to anyone. So, as you think immigration is an unmitigated benefit that is actually the cause of everything positive happening in the country, you would encourage ever more immigration, no controls whatsoever, actively campaign and encourage the entire population of the EU to come here? No. Nor would I haul up the drawbridge and allow protectionism to ruin this country. Protectionism? You mean like the EU Common Agricultural Policy that eats 40% of the EU budget, the largest slice being used to keep French farmers in 4-wheel-drives with artificially high food prices and the dumping of food that could be sent to famine areas?
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| Superfly The sun always shines in Catford 07 May 15 1.29pm |
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Lost me
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I'm not sure if that's a dig at me or derbrain? 
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