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 Seth  On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 4.32pm |
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Four-fifths of public want Green party in TV leaders’ debates – poll ICM poll shows most respondents across political spectrum support involvement of Greens in televised election debates Where do you find this nonsense and why do you actually believe it? Not even 80% of the public vote.
What has the number of people voting got to do with it? It's a poll about what people think about the TV election debates.
It is clearly nonsense, look at the phrasing of the question alone. Nothing to do with what people "want". It's might as well be asking should or shouldn't they be allowed to exist as a party. The poll wasn't carried out by ICM but was verified by them. I imagine that's why it's not on their website. After a preamble, the question was: "Do you think that the leader of the Green party should or should not also be invited to join in the ITV leaders’ debate?” That is clearly about whether people want the Greens to be included or not.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 4.34pm |
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Ashcroft Poll puts Caroline Lucas 9% ahead in her constituency.
So you keep telling us. She might stay as an MP, but they're not holding on to the council.
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Four-fifths of public want Green party in TV leaders’ debates – poll ICM poll shows most respondents across political spectrum support involvement of Greens in televised election debates Where do you find this nonsense and why do you actually believe it? Not even 80% of the public vote.
What has the number of people voting got to do with it? It's a poll about what people think about the TV election debates.
It is clearly nonsense, look at the phrasing of the question alone. Nothing to do with what people "want". It's might as well be asking should or shouldn't they be allowed to exist as a party. The poll wasn't carried out by ICM but was verified by them. I imagine that's why it's not on their website. After a preamble, the question was: "Do you think that the leader of the Green party should or should not also be invited to join in the ITV leaders’ debate?” That is clearly about whether people want the Greens to be included or not. So is it an ICM poll or not? Not without an option for I don't care, it isn't. It's a closed question and doesn't reflect what people "want".
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| Stuk Top half 18 Dec 14 4.36pm |
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.34pm
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Quote The White Horse at 18 Dec 2014 4.11pm
Ashcroft Poll puts Caroline Lucas 9% ahead in her constituency.
So you keep telling us. She might stay as an MP, but they're not holding on to the council.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 4.40pm |
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Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.34pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.32pm
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.01pm
Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 3.13pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 1.45am
Four-fifths of public want Green party in TV leaders’ debates – poll ICM poll shows most respondents across political spectrum support involvement of Greens in televised election debates Where do you find this nonsense and why do you actually believe it? Not even 80% of the public vote.
What has the number of people voting got to do with it? It's a poll about what people think about the TV election debates.
It is clearly nonsense, look at the phrasing of the question alone. Nothing to do with what people "want". It's might as well be asking should or shouldn't they be allowed to exist as a party. The poll wasn't carried out by ICM but was verified by them. I imagine that's why it's not on their website. After a preamble, the question was: "Do you think that the leader of the Green party should or should not also be invited to join in the ITV leaders’ debate?” That is clearly about whether people want the Greens to be included or not. So is it an ICM poll or not? Not without an option for I don't care, it isn't. It's a closed question and doesn't reflect what people "want".
Most voters want UKIP leader Nigel Farage included – and, if he is, nearly as many want the Green party leader included as well You can keep dismissing polls you disagree with but it's clear most people do want the Greens involved in the TV debates.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 4.41pm |
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Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.36pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.34pm
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.24pm
Quote The White Horse at 18 Dec 2014 4.11pm
Ashcroft Poll puts Caroline Lucas 9% ahead in her constituency.
So you keep telling us. She might stay as an MP, but they're not holding on to the council.
Time will tell and we'll know in May. Until then it's all just interesting speculation and debate.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 14 4.42pm |
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12 reasons the greens should be included in the 'leader's tv debate' Interesting bits about Murdoch's part to play.
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| nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Dec 14 4.44pm |
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.41pm
Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.36pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.34pm
Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.27pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.24pm
Quote The White Horse at 18 Dec 2014 4.11pm
Ashcroft Poll puts Caroline Lucas 9% ahead in her constituency.
So you keep telling us. She might stay as an MP, but they're not holding on to the council.
Time will tell and we'll know in May. Until then it's all just interesting speculation and debate.
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| Stuk Top half 18 Dec 14 4.48pm |
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.40pm
Ok if you don't believe that poll try this one, carried out by YouGov in October: Most voters want UKIP leader Nigel Farage included – and, if he is, nearly as many want the Green party leader included as well You can keep dismissing polls you disagree with but it's clear most people do want the Greens involved in the TV debates.
"To determine which sort of format respondents preferred, YouGov gave them three options to choose from: A) the recently proposed format (described above); B) three debates, all including Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and Farage; three debates including only Cameron, Miliband and Clegg; or three debates including only Cameron and Miliband. Ps Their font, particularly the punctuation, is terrible.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 4.54pm |
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.40pm
Ok if you don't believe that poll try this one, carried out by YouGov in October: Most voters want UKIP leader Nigel Farage included – and, if he is, nearly as many want the Green party leader included as well You can keep dismissing polls you disagree with but it's clear most people do want the Greens involved in the TV debates.
"To determine which sort of format respondents preferred, YouGov gave them three options to choose from: A) the recently proposed format (described above); B) three debates, all including Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and Farage; three debates including only Cameron, Miliband and Clegg; or three debates including only Cameron and Miliband. Ps Their font, particularly the punctuation, is terrible.
Pick holes as much as you like. As I said, a majority of the public clearly want them in the debate, however much you don't like the idea.
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| Stuk Top half 18 Dec 14 4.57pm |
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Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.54pm
Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.48pm
Quote Seth at 18 Dec 2014 4.40pm
Ok if you don't believe that poll try this one, carried out by YouGov in October: Most voters want UKIP leader Nigel Farage included – and, if he is, nearly as many want the Green party leader included as well You can keep dismissing polls you disagree with but it's clear most people do want the Greens involved in the TV debates.
"To determine which sort of format respondents preferred, YouGov gave them three options to choose from: A) the recently proposed format (described above); B) three debates, all including Cameron, Miliband, Clegg and Farage; three debates including only Cameron, Miliband and Clegg; or three debates including only Cameron and Miliband. Ps Their font, particularly the punctuation, is terrible.
Pick holes as much as you like. As I said, a majority of the public clearly want them in the debate, however much you don't like the idea. What do you mean pick holes? Look at what I've quoted. B) has three options in itself, or they've cocked it up. Seth, go and look at what was posted on this very site when it was discussed. You may surprise yourself.
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| Seth On a pale blue dot 18 Dec 14 5.01pm |
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Quote Stuk at 18 Dec 2014 4.57pm
What do you mean pick holes? Look at what I've quoted. B) has three options in itself, or they've cocked it up. Seth, go and look at what was posted on this very site when it was discussed. You may surprise yourself.
I don't know where you're asking me to look. Can you be more specific?
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