For those that are unaware, usually when someone says something is self righteous it usually means it is right, but they don't want to admit it.

I'm well aware of this. You use it as an insult as you cannot respond to the point because it is correct. It's also becoming over used by 'your sort' in the same way hand wringing liberal is.

Matthew - please be obsessed with someone other than me. Your last reply to a post of mine was the sign of someone who is losing the plot upstairs. Too much effort for such little effective goading.

Move on.

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I think you may have missed my point re foreign policy. Of course most countries most of the time have hypocritical foreign policies. My point was that, regardless of this, many young idealistic people in those countries may feel affronted by such policies, particularly where the policies are lacking in any veneer of sophisticated rhetorical justification. In some cases (anti-Vietnam war)it can cause whole sectors of the population to feel estranged from the whole system in their countries...

If we want to have any chance of understanding why some young British Muslims might start to feel estranged from the "system" here, we need to be open to the possibility that their feelings of antipathy to aspects of our foreign policy are not automatically "anti-western" but no different in that way, say, to the example of the anti-Vietnam war protesters....I think things are less simplistic and more complex than that...so, we demonise people in a simplistic kneejerk way at our peril..

It does seem strange that OFSTED went into one of the schools, passed it, then went in the next week and put the school into special measures.

What the trojan horse affair did highlight (to be fair I don't know the whole story and have heard many conflicting reports) is that a lot of the problems were down to the fact that the schools are out of L.A control and therefore under the remit of the DFE (what happened to the tories pledge of a degree of localism during the election run up.
What is also clear is the hypocrisy of those that say it's ok to have catholic and c of e schools where the faith of the majority is followed in daily worship (a loose term) but as soon as a school starts to push muslim values it is a problem. More creeping islamophobia in the media?
Personally I think ALL schools should be secular.

I know this is the grauniad, but Sir Tim Brighouse's assessment of the affair and the implication is by far the most balanced I've read on the subject so far.

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Certainly seem to be two sides to the story. From yesterday's Birmingham Mail:

"A senior teacher at a Birmingham school accused of failing to protect children from extremism has told MPs staff never tolerated any extremist views.

And Lee Donaghy, Vice Principal of Park View School in Alum Rock, hit back at a damning Ofsted report by insisting the Trojan Horse controversy came from “plain old Islamaphobia, either witting or unwitting”.

Ofsted last week placed five schools – including three in the Park View Academy – into special measures after a series of snap inspections following claims of a takeover plot by hardline Muslims.

Inspectors said they discovered a “culture of fear and intimidation” in some schools, with some governors accused of exerting “inappropriate influence” over how they were being run.

The Commons Home Affairs Committee is conducting an inquiry into the Trojan Horse allegations.

But today MPs also heard evidence from Councillor Brigid Jones, Cabinet Member for Children and Family Services at Birmingham City Council, who insisted she had seen no evidence of extremism in city schools. She said: “Any direct evidence of extremism has yet to be presented to me.”

And Mark Rogers, Birmingham City Council’s Chief Executive, questioned the authenticity of the Trojan Horse document. He said: “I have yet to be convinced that it is an authentic letter from one plotter to another. I think what it sets out is a set of issues that somebody had some concerns about and wanted action over.”

Hmmm..if that was your aim doesn't that make you a...*gasp*...troll?

Try harder. Bitchy girl posts are hardly gonna ruffle any feathers here. Man up.

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