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 Stirlingsays  16 Dec 18 11.09am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Except that identity isn't just for the individual is it? Midland's Eagle consider his brother to be English. So his brother's identity also exists outside of his personal values. Your belief in the nation state is divisive. You are the fifth columnist.
What you wrote doesn't seem to relate well to what I posted. I said personal identity. How someone else sees you is for them.....similar to the state.
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The guy who won't even put his flag up says I'm the fifth columnist....yeah ok Stevie boy.| Stirlingsays 16 Dec 18 11.12am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
But maybe we should keep all of this ideological crap in the Tommy Robinson thread where it belongs. Identity is very much related to Brexit. The UK wants more control over its own decisions....that's sovereignty.....A majority here doesn't want to be apart of the collective outside of things like European defence or projects like space. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2018 11.13am)
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.16am | |
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To be perfectly honest Stirling your continued reference to a flag is puerile and only serves to demonstrate the paucity of your ideas. I don't even remember which icon I clicked on, was it North Korea? I did it purely because it pisses you off. And all you ever do is take the rise, over and over and over again. Now if you don't mind please could we get back to Brexit and we can continue this on the Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon thread.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 16 Dec 18 11.16am |
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Apparently Amber Rudd and some other cabinet members are reaching out to the opposition in the hope that they can find a cross party solution. Gosh I wonder if they've considered a 2nd referendum? Come to think of it why bother with that let's just cancel Brexit the people made a huge mistake and were lied to so let's call the whole thing off. On a more serious note those politicians arguing for a 2nd referendum have not explained what has changed in the EU? If anything the EU has become more entrenched. I don't want a 2nd referendum but calling for one because of project fear is not good enough. Now if the Remainers could argue that the EU has moved on certain things they might convince enough people that their reasons for voting leave are no longer valid. However the more inflexible the EU becomes the more I am convinced I made the right decision, other opinions are available. Mrs May like Cameron got nothing when she asked for their support fair enough it's their club but for me this is all the more reason to leave without a deal.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Dec 18 11.21am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
To be perfectly honest Stirling your continued reference to a flag is puerile and only serves to demonstrate the paucity of your ideas. I don't even remember which icon I clicked on, was it North Korea? I did it purely because it pisses you off. And all you ever do is take the rise, over and over and over again. Now if you don't mind please could we get back to Brexit and we can continue this on the Stephen Christopher Yaxley-Lennon thread. You trying to wind me up.....never....Well, I have never have thought of that.....Please tell me exactly how you suck eggs again? Mind you, I don't remember you having a flag originally so....like much of what you say....doubtful. Edited by Stirlingsays (16 Dec 2018 11.22am)
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.22am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
How someone else sees you is for them.....similar to the state. But from your willingness to put the state and the individual on an equal footing when determining someone's identity shows exactly what kind of state you'd like to have. Authoritarian. Which is strange given how much you hate that idea.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.24am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
so....like much of what you say....doubtful. When your arguement isn't sufficiently compelling to stand up to scrutiny, then question the integrity of your opponent's. It's an old trick.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Dec 18 11.24am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
But from your willingness to put the state and the individual on an equal footing when determining someone's identity shows exactly what kind of state you'd like to have. Authoritarian. Which is strange given how much you hate that idea. Me, an authoritarian?.....Na. But fine, you can say down is up and up is down all you like.....that's called liberty.
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 Hrolf The Ganger 16 Dec 18 11.26am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
But maybe we should keep all of this ideological crap in the Tommy Robinson thread where it belongs. Stop it. In the end, people will identify as they please and that is not the issue. The problem for people who wish to preserve Englishness is how many people of other nationalities and cultures do there have to be before England changes to something different and less desirable? I happen to think that England was good as it was and although I don't think that all outside culture is negative I want it to be supplementary and complimentary but not overwhelming and destructive.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.32am | |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
But fine, you can say down is up and up is down all you like.....that's called liberty. Not when the state proscribes the view that the rights of non anglo-saxons are less than that of anglo-saxons it isn't.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.35am | |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
I happen to think that England was good as it was.. When was that then? 1980? 1960? 1840? 1750? 1066? How far back should we go before we reach an England that is good?
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| Stirlingsays 16 Dec 18 11.37am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
When your arguement isn't sufficiently compelling to stand up to scrutiny, then question the integrity of your opponent's. It's an old trick. You already stated you behave in ways to wind me up and then you talk about having integrity? Scrutiny? I've rinsed your ideas all over this board, that's why you're so butt hurt.
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