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 Midlands Eagle  16 Dec 18 8.30am |
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Originally posted by Willo
My brother has resided in Australia on and off for about 30 years and has never applied for Australian citizenship. When he came to the UK in 2014 for our mother's funeral he had to pay for a visa to get back into Australia despite being resident there for the last 20 years or so ! He has married two Australians and some of his offspring were born there - I have not heard that he now has an Australian passport and he feels he is very much British and not Australian ! My sister and her husband emigrated to Australia about 50 years ago. I've no idea whether they have taken out Australian nationality but they do have dual passports. My brother in law thinks of himself as Australian except during an Ashes Test Match when he is resolutely English
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| silvertop Portishead 16 Dec 18 9.07am |
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Originally posted by Tawny
I notice that the odds of a second vote are now about 50 / 50. At one point the proposition of a second vote surely looked like complete pie in the sky stuff but with the collective shrug of our so called respresentatives I can see how throwing it back to the people again may now be on the agenda. I voted to remain though had long since accepted that we'd be leaving in some form, so I find myself in a strange position. The whole thing is a carcrash. The dilemma for remainers. A better future v devaluation of democracy.
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| silvertop Portishead 16 Dec 18 9.09am |
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Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger
True, but the Lefty zealots on the Palace sites seem very much to be predominantly Remainers. It is a certain type that rejects all things English and hates anyone who wants to preserve the English way of life. Are there any left zealots who still post. I thought HE flounced off.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 9.13am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
but they do have dual passports. Surely with 2 passports they have Australian citizenship?
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| Midlands Eagle 16 Dec 18 10.06am |
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Originally posted by steve1984
Surely with 2 passports they have Australian citizenship? Perhaps. I've never thought about it or asked them as they both remain English to me
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 10.18am | |
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Isn't the point surely that you can remain 100% English whilst being an Australian citizen? It's your nieces and nephews who won't be English. My wife is 100% Hungarian despite holding British citizenship. Our daughter by comparison will acquire a more 2 dimensional sense of national identity. Edited by steve1984 (16 Dec 2018 10.19am)
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Pussay Patrol  16 Dec 18 10.46am |
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So I suppose where we are with Brexit today is we must respect the democratic vote no matter what, no 2nd vote. We have to have a no deal Brexit as any other deal won't get through parliament as politicians are too busy squabbling to do anything right for the country. Then on 1 April we watch our Rome burn.
Paua oouaarancì Irà chiyeah Ishé galé ma ba oo ah |
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 10.54am | |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
Perhaps. I've never thought about it or asked them as they both remain English to me But let's face it there are quite a few people on this forum who would consider your brother to not have any loyalty to Britain by virtue of his decision to leave. Your brother's allegiances during an Ashes tour is identical to that of a 2nd generation British citizen who supports India, pakistan or West Indies when they play England. This isn't necessarily a demonstration of divided loyalties, it can also be a demonstration of more complex shared identity.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 10.57am | |
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Originally posted by Pussay Patrol
So I suppose where we are with Brexit today is we must respect the democratic vote no matter what, no 2nd vote. We have to have a no deal Brexit as any other deal won't get through parliament as politicians are too busy squabbling to do anything right for the country. Then on 1 April we watch our Rome burn. Is that your take on the likely endgame? I'm not so sure. Isn't the government obliged to give Parliament a vote on the deal at some point? And if it gets voted down then Grieve's amendment gives Parliament to ability to determine what happens next. Parliament could withdraw Article 50 if they consider us unprepared for no deal.
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| Stirlingsays 16 Dec 18 10.58am |
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Personal identity is always for the individual, it's the ultimate personal sovereignty. However, just as an individual values their identity so to should a state value a national identity. Citizens of nowhere are fifth columnists in that regard.
'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen) |
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.04am | |
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Except that identity isn't just for the individual is it? Midland's Eagle consider his brother to be English. So his brother's identity also exists outside of his personal values. Your belief in the nation state is divisive. You are the fifth columnist.
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| steve1984 16 Dec 18 11.05am | |
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But maybe we should keep all of this ideological crap in the Tommy Robinson thread where it belongs.
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