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steeleye20 Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 6.56pm Send a Private Message to steeleye20 Add steeleye20 as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

To quote from the article:

In 1999, Britain’s 'top academic economists' polled heavily in favour of the UK joining the eurozone.

At the University of California, Berkeley, economist Andy Rose published an article claiming countries that adopted the euro would exponentially increase their trade with each other, which would make them all more prosperous.

In 2015, after an important study had established that the euro produced no trade gains, Andy Rose published a mea culpa. He acknowledged that his earlier analysis improperly extrapolated from the experience of smaller monetary unions of mainly poorer countries, and did not apply to the eurozone. By then, the grim costs of the extended eurozone crisis were evident. The euro created no obvious benefits but carried all-too-real risks.

True, unlike the euro, open borders generate recognisable trade benefits. But the benefits are overstated, and the adverse distributional consequences are too often swept under the rug.

By much the same logic as Krugman used in his recent tweets, the Harvard economist Dani Rodrik explains that economic welfare changes only modestly when countries with extensive trade relationships increase or decrease the extent of their international trade.

Rodrik, therefore, tenaciously highlights the troubling fact that contemporary trade agreements disproportionately help the most successful.

“Trade agreements,” he writes, “are driven overwhelmingly by a business-led agenda. The implicit economic model is one of trickle-down: make investors happy and the benefits will eventually flow down to the rest of society. The interests of labor—good pay, high labor standards, employment security, voice in the workplace, bargaining rights—get little lip service.”

The EU is the world’s most advanced form of “trade agreement” and, hence, comes with all the ills that Rodrik underscores. Well-heeled lobbyists representing business interests influence nearly 75 per cent of EU laws.

Hey Steely....looks like you found why Richard B supports Remain.

“Trade agreements,” he writes, “are driven overwhelmingly by a business-led agenda

There we are and unlike you I actually read posters before replying to them.

So can leave please show what trade agreements are in place for when we leave the EU in 100 days time.

Just tell us please.....

If you know of any, please inform Michael Fallon Tory MP for Sevenoaks, who says that there aren't any and that is the reason he cannot support the idea going forward.

 

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 15 Dec 18 7.59pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't think he typed all of this.

pretty sure Funty did.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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pefwin Flag Where you have to have an English ... 15 Dec 18 8.01pm

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger


Here we tolerate anybody... Except Gusset.

Most people would judge you as a liar, not a couple of weeks a go you said the same against Maple and I.

 


"Everything is air-droppable at least once."

"When the going gets tough, the tough call for close air support."

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 18 8.20pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by pefwin

Most people would judge you as a liar, not a couple of weeks a go you said the same against Maple and I.

What? As usual, I have no idea what you are on about.

 

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silvertop Flag Portishead 15 Dec 18 8.45pm Send a Private Message to silvertop Add silvertop as a friend

Originally posted by Hrolf The Ganger

That's what I like about this site. We are kind to the loons.
We know that if it was on the other site, they would not reciprocate. They would be yelling ban him, stone him, burn the witch.

You cannot offer a dissenting opinion to the lunatic left/Remain/liberal/ minority alliance on the BBS or else you get banned in 24 hours. A place run by dickheads for dickheads.

Here we tolerate anybody... Except Gusset.

Once again, that link of left and remain. Where do you get this from? The left is as leave as the right.

 

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Yellow Card - User has been warned of conduct on the messageboards Hrolf The Ganger Flag 15 Dec 18 9.07pm Send a Private Message to Hrolf The Ganger Add Hrolf The Ganger as a friend

Originally posted by silvertop

Once again, that link of left and remain. Where do you get this from? The left is as leave as the right.

True, but the Lefty zealots on the Palace sites seem very much to be predominantly Remainers.

It is a certain type that rejects all things English and hates anyone who wants to preserve the English way of life.

 

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steve1984 15 Dec 18 10.35pm

Comrades this is a seriously good book and still time to order it for Christmas.

Edited by steve1984 (15 Dec 2018 10.35pm)

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 18 10.56pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

I don't think he typed all of this.


I think that's the joke Maple.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2018 10.56pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Stirlingsays Flag 15 Dec 18 10.58pm Send a Private Message to Stirlingsays Holmesdale Online Elite Member Add Stirlingsays as a friend

Originally posted by steeleye20

“Trade agreements,” he writes, “are driven overwhelmingly by a business-led agenda

There we are and unlike you I actually read posters before replying to them.

So can leave please show what trade agreements are in place for when we leave the EU in 100 days time.

Just tell us please.....

If you know of any, please inform Michael Fallon Tory MP for Sevenoaks, who says that there aren't any and that is the reason he cannot support the idea going forward.

WTO.

We already use them.....you might read posters Steely...that doesn't mean you necessarily understand them my man.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2018 10.59pm)

 


'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

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Mapletree Flag Croydon 15 Dec 18 11.24pm Send a Private Message to Mapletree Add Mapletree as a friend

Originally posted by Stirlingsays


I think that's the joke Maple.

Edited by Stirlingsays (15 Dec 2018 10.56pm)

Funty sets em up, I knock them down

 

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Cucking Funt Flag Clapham on the Back 16 Dec 18 12.19am Send a Private Message to Cucking Funt Add Cucking Funt as a friend

Originally posted by Mapletree

Funty sets em up, I knock them down

Better luck next time, my dear Mapleleaf.

 


Wife beating may be socially acceptable in Sheffield, but it is a different matter in Cheltenham

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Tawny Flag Croydon 16 Dec 18 12.34am

I notice that the odds of a second vote are now about 50 / 50. At one point the proposition of a second vote surely looked like complete pie in the sky stuff but with the collective shrug of our so called respresentatives I can see how throwing it back to the people again may now be on the agenda.

I voted to remain though had long since accepted that we'd be leaving in some form, so I find myself in a strange position. The whole thing is a carcrash.

 

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