Brilliant. Did you ever study science or statistics? This chap is a moron

‘You are twice as likely to catch the virus if you had the booster shot’

Assuming the data are based on testing those not vaccinated are also prone not to test. The tests include multiple tests per individual.

No concept of the demographics of those getting the shots. Age and job types for example.

Also no discussion that the shots are critical to not getting badly ill when the virus is caught

There is zero point in debating this idiot’s views and therefore with you. Anti vax is one weird religion. Feckin dangerous to boot.

Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2022 8.23am)

Edited by Mapletree (25 Apr 2022 8.29am)

I would say at this stage, with protection elevated through vaccination and mass covid circulating, it's a fair choice to have made and to stick to. It always was a choice, just with certain temporary restrictions attached due to the gravity and unknowns of the situation.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 10.19am)

I agree! But what can you do? I feel awful inside when I see young kids wearing masks! or getting thier vax. its just not our place to say to get angry over it!

You have to try and blank it otherwise it will eat you up!

I get angry when I encounter views which discourage kids from wearing masks, if that's what their parents believe is in their best interests, or getting vaccinated.

Masks harm no-one, but they can protect the user both from infection and, crucially, in the case of children, from infecting others.

Vaccination against disease has been a vital part of health programmes for a very long time, and has made a huge contribution to the improvement in our health and life expectancy.

Just because the development of the Covid vaccines was accomplished in a superfast time doesn't mean all the checks and trials weren't done. These vaccines might be new, but the science behind them is well understood and tested. They might be new vaccines, but they are still vaccines. The fear and misinformation campaigns of the anti-vax movements are a shameful manifestation of the power of social media to convince people of things that just aren't true.

I can understand the push and reasoning behind getting as many people vaccinated as possible, but the vaccinating kids point was always a tricky one. At minimum I think both parent 'and' child should have to agree to get vaccinated. As covid doesn't seem to significantly impact children in great numbers, its purpose then falls at whether it can slow transmission to others and if any potential trade off is worth it. With certain variants it did appear to slow transmission but less so with later ones, and with so much Covid around now and no restrictions it becomes, in my view, a fairly pointless task in kids outside of those with health needs that make it advantageous. They would certainly be wise to have it.

As a side note, society partly through economic conditions of the past and partly voting block power is fairly geared towards the elderly, and that is true of the Covid response too. The young have it much tougher than they did in decades gone by, and realistically have to work much harder than we did to have what we have. The 'we're all in it together' push is a two way street when we expect the young to help the elderly. I rarely see much concern in the other direction from government or society.

Edited by BlueJay (29 Apr 2022 11.51am)

In what possible way can masks be harmful? It's already been established that the idea they restrict breathing is untrue, so what other harm can there be?

It's not only the parent's view that matters. Parents don't own their children. They are responsible for them and if they fail to exercise that responsibility the state has a duty to protect the child.