I have sympathy for the fact that you care about what's happening over there.

I think any decent person would care and be against the wanton barbarism that goes on, whether it's an Israeli or Palestinian doing it.....and of course you are right that since the 8th of October it's mainly been one way.....but this is war.

Once the Israeli state was created this was how it was going to be.....it's a blood feud until that patch of land is either Jewish or Islamic. The two state solution died with the Clinton presidency....they should have given them access to water...ah well.

Not that I think it would have worked anyway.

There isn't going to be a boycott or ostracisation because the big bully US won't allow one.

I predict that Gaza won't be the end of this and that unless the current Israeli administration is removed Iran and its proxies in Lebanon will be attacked with the aim of removing the Iranian regime......though that's one hell of a job in a country of eighty million.....So the Americans will probably try to keep it to Lebanon.

However, I think Blinken has found that the Saudis won't get involved militarily....and they will probably up the bribe money to Egypt and Jordan to keep them sweet.

I agree....it's all disgusting and as dirty as hell.

We probably wouldn't agree on the Russian point but that's another thread.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Jan 2024 2.41pm)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

Israel are surrounded by Muslims. Muslims hate Jews. Don’t kid yourself about the fact they can’t be massacred. Maybe not by Hamas but many littles make a big big. You do realise that 2 nd on Muslims wish list of gone is me and you. Smell the coffee EDN. Hold your council of sympathy but don’t be disillusioned that you aren’t a target of the very people you want to stand up for. Gays for Palestine alphabet people blacks the west etc etc. all waving flags and falling into the great Quran trap.

I agree, especially the way the international community should now treat Israel. They should be ostracised until they change government and adopt a more objective policy. I am glad I visited Jerusalem last September. I would not want to go there now.

For the avoidance of doubt any comments in response to a previous post are directed to its ideas and not at any, or all, posters personally.

How much more objective can you be but destroying your enemy whom would gladly cut your head off before your family friends and neighbours afterwards.
Palestinians hold the stop the war button. The issue is they don’t want Hamas gone because they want the hate of the west to continue. If I thought I could save my family by fighting the enemy within then I would. If I liked the enemy within and their mantra so much more than my own blood then all they are is collateral propaganda!

I agree that Britain and European countries in general should have had far greater military capacity for decades.

Essentially we should have never have downgraded from our military size from the eighties when we were able to take back the Falklands.

The problems are that the economic decisions and pathways that we and Europe went down means that this isn't possible anymore....not without a significant drop in the standard of living for most people.

The politicians haven't as usual been honest....I know shocking right.....There is a disconnection between how the politicians present Britain to the world and what we are actually capable of. We went from a superpower to essentially a middle of the road European nation in roughly sixty years.....That's what fighting those two world wars did to us.

Britain is a client state of the US, just as Europe is generally mainly but not exclusively because we outsource our defence costs to them.

You either make peace with Russia and tell the US it has less influence or you fight its wars and win or decline by their metric.

Our elites are constantly playing high stakes.....I've made the observation before and I consider it relevant. Bad choices and outcomes cost them nothing personally, whereas it costs the country massively. Back when nationality mattered this was reputational damage for the individual.

Now that since WW2 that national patriotism has been slowly and deliberately eroded they no longer care....In fact due to the far greater wealth gap there is a lack of accountability and a total lack of consequence. This is a considerable negative in a ruling class. It's why you see a consistent double down in today's world in many spheres. They hold the megaphone and institutions...if they lose they can swan off to jobs within their elite demographic.

This has been a fundamental problem with our elite class for decades now. The disconnection between the globalistic minded elite and their home countries spells nothing positive for the man in the street.

Which has been how it's been playing out for decades.

Edited by Stirlingsays (13 Jan 2024 8.23am)

'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)

I think you may have replied to the wrong post.