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 Mattconrov  03 Aug 23 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
But there is plenty of proof on the dangers on the covid "vaccine" it's not even a vaccine in the traditional sense. Gene therapy
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 2.42pm |
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People should indeed watch YouTuber Campbell but with an open mind and an active cynicism antenna. He has made a lot of money. Whether by spreading disinformation or telling the truth is for the observer to decide. Just look at the little faces at the end saying thank you and see if that antenna twitches! That he only uses official statistics is beside the point because he spins them constantly to insert his own meanings. It's a device to indicate authenticity when the truth he is actually putting his own "opinions" out there. In most cases those opinions/assertions are blindingly obviously fraudulent. Health services globally have suffered. People have delayed seeking treatment during lockdowns. Long-term effects are still being found. Even the apparently strange situation in Africa has been studied and shown to be the result of the quality of reporting rather than anything else. Many people in Africa have little or no access to health care, die at home and go unreported, whatever the cause. Trying to make any kind of sense by comparison with first-world statistics is a waste of time. However, it cannot be vaccine related, for if that were true those statistics would be replicated everywhere. I am not the only one who sees through Campbell. His videos have been debunked by many other people. Here's the latest I found:- Decide for yourself. I think he is a clever, personable, grifter.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 2.46pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
But there is plenty of proof on the dangers on the covid "vaccine" it's not even a vaccine in the traditional sense. Gene therapy That claim was debunked years ago. They are vaccines. Gene therapies alter your genes. The vaccines train your immune system then disappear. They use gene technology in their creation, not in their operation. They are not drugs. Nothing remains in your body.
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That claim was debunked years ago. They are vaccines. Gene therapies alter your genes. The vaccines train your immune system then disappear. They use gene technology in their creation, not in their operation. They are not drugs. Nothing remains in your body.
mRNA vaccines tell the cell to make a part of virus. That's not a vaccine. Vaccines are when a small part of the virus is sent into the body. Saying things like de bunked years ago is ridiculous. Debunked by who. Pfizer? Maybe it's not gene therapy. But I'm not trusting criminals like pfzier to tell me what it is. The clue is in the fact it was experimental. No amount of your or government rubbish will convince me otherwise. Up to people to take that risk for themselves what it might do. Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.00pm) Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.02pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 3.03pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
So what we do know about these experimental Mrna jabs?
The jab was experimental. The technology may have been known. But certainly not perfected. In a trial with animals a few years back many of the animals died. We've never had a respiratory vaccine before and with good reason. Robert Malone the co creator of this technology has been very critical of it. So to Mike yeadon formally of Pfizer. In particular the way the spike protein acts on the body. We were not given informed consent. Or do you think we were Wisbech? I haven't seen where it was given. How is anyone going to reassure someone on this obvious link between jabs and heart problems. A nice cup of tea and soothing chat? Strong risk? Experimental? Robert Malone? Michael Yeadon? Obvious problem? The only one is the bs conspiracy theories in circulation! Try looking at the real evidence. Yes, the pandemic has resulted in a higher incidence of heart problems but only those who believe conspiracy theories attribute that to the vaccines. Aided and abetted by those with an axe to grind, or money to be made from the gullible.
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 3.05pm |
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Mr Wisbech. You might like to do some research on pharmaceutical companies like Pfzier for instance. They have been fined billions of pounds for lying and causing untold death. life prison sentences would be more applicable.
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 3.08pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Strong risk? Experimental? Robert Malone? Michael Yeadon? Obvious problem? The only one is the bs conspiracy theories in circulation! Try looking at the real evidence. Yes, the pandemic has resulted in a higher incidence of heart problems but only those who believe conspiracy theories attribute that to the vaccines. Aided and abetted by those with an axe to grind, or money to be made from the gullible. Ok good luck mate. Enjoy your jabs. I won't be taking any or my family. Fact checkers. You sent a link from fact checkers. Lol. Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.10pm)
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 03 Aug 23 3.17pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
That claim was debunked years ago. They are vaccines. Gene therapies alter your genes. The vaccines train your immune system then disappear. They use gene technology in their creation, not in their operation. They are not drugs. Nothing remains in your body.
mRNA vaccines tell the cell to make a part of virus. That's not a vaccine. Vaccines are when a small part of the virus is sent into the body. Saying things like de bunked years ago is ridiculous. Debunked by who. Pfizer? Maybe it's not gene therapy. But I'm not trusting criminals like pfzier to tell me what it is. The clue is in the fact it was experimental. No amount of your or government rubbish will convince me otherwise. Up to people to take that risk for themselves what it might do. Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.00pm) Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.02pm) mRNA vaccines tell the cell to make copies of the "spike protein". That triggers the immune system to produce antibodies. Just as a traditional vaccine does. The result is the same, which is why it is a vaccine. It's the delivery which is different. Once its role is done the mNRA is quickly broken down by the body. It was not experimental. It was done very quickly because of the urgency but all the trials were undertaken and now we have lots of real-time evidence to confirm the efficacy. Spreading the kind of ill-informed nonsense you are doing can be found all over the internet. It's very strong evidence of the internet's ability to spread disinformation at ease and often without challenge. Do it here and you will be challenged.
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 3.21pm |
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----- Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
mRNA vaccines tell the cell to make copies of the "spike protein". That triggers the immune system to produce antibodies. Just as a traditional vaccine does. The result is the same, which is why it is a vaccine. It's the delivery which is different. Once its role is done the mNRA is quickly broken down by the body. It was not experimental. It was done very quickly because of the urgency but all the trials were undertaken and now we have lots of real-time evidence to confirm the efficacy. Spreading the kind of ill-informed nonsense you are doing can be found all over the internet. It's very strong evidence of the internet's ability to spread disinformation at ease and often without challenge. Do it here and you will be challenged. Challenged by using main stream news articles, government organisations and wiki. All you do is spread government information and you will be challenged mate. Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 3.24pm)
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 3.26pm |
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Of course the mRNA jab was experimental. Have we had one before? If the answer is no then it's experimental. The technology may have been researched. But it was not tested on people until recently. No long term studies have been done. You may say that's because it was an emergency. Ok fair enough to hold that opion(one I won't share) but regardless it was patently an experimental jab. Stop spreading this government big pharma misinformation. It's led to the deaths of so many The "real time evidence to confirm the efficacy" is the experiment - unbelievable man. You just contridicted yourself in the same sentence. That must be a record for you. Edited by Mattconrov (03 Aug 2023 6.09pm)
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Teddy Eagle  03 Aug 23 3.36pm |
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Originally posted by Mattconrov
But there is plenty of proof on the dangers on the covid "vaccine" it's not even a vaccine in the traditional sense. Gene therapy That may be true Matt but my point was more about putting total faith in "the experts". Medical advice changes with experience and research so who's to say that in 20 years time medical advice will be to avoid COVID vaccines?
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| Mattconrov 03 Aug 23 3.43pm |
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Originally posted by Teddy Eagle
That may be true Matt but my point was more about putting total faith in "the experts". Medical advice changes with experience and research so who's to say that in 20 years time medical advice will be to avoid COVID vaccines? ------------------------------------- I hear you. But there are countries who have banned the jab or have at least halted its use. So I don't think we will have to wait. There are already plenty of experts who are questioning it. But for people like Wisbech they are the wrong kind of expert. Not the government or big pharma paid expert. At the end of the day Teddy I believe in free speech. I don't believe Wisbech does. He sounds like a government minister warning us about "conspiracy theories".
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