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Ukraine Situation - Should We Be Worried?
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  georgenorman  09 Mar 22 12.29pm |
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You have also repeatedly made excuses/justified it.
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| eaglesdare 09 Mar 22 2.18pm |
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If the ukranian president actually care about his citizens and not keeping hold of power he would just surrender to Russia or meet thier demands! Isnt that the quickest way of saving lives! we know putin will not back down! Instead of sending people to their deaths needlessly and keep whats left of ukrainian citys intact just surrender! its delaying the inevitable!
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Mar 22 2.32pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If the ukranian president actually care about his citizens and not keeping hold of power he would just surrender to Russia or meet thier demands! Isnt that the quickest way of saving lives! we know putin will not back down! Instead of sending people to their deaths needlessly and keep whats left of ukrainian citys intact just surrender! its delaying the inevitable! Interesting point. But independence was hard-won and took a long time. Losing it now would be a huge set-back and would result in the Ukrainian people having to bend the knee for a long long time to come. Once you see post Soviet life the idea of going back is truly unthinkable, which is why the people are prepared to die for future generations.
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| eaglesdare 09 Mar 22 2.47pm |
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And sure whats the worst russia will do if they take over ukraine? Stop religious services, coerce people into taking experimental drugs, keep people under house arrest? have to show your papers everywhere you go? ........Oh wait that was Europe and rest of the west last two years!
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| Badger11 Beckenham 09 Mar 22 2.47pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
If the ukranian president actually care about his citizens and not keeping hold of power he would just surrender to Russia or meet thier demands! Isnt that the quickest way of saving lives! we know putin will not back down! Instead of sending people to their deaths needlessly and keep whats left of ukrainian citys intact just surrender! its delaying the inevitable! Thank you Lord Halifax.
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| Wisbech Eagle Truro Cornwall 09 Mar 22 2.56pm |
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Originally posted by Stirlingsays
Of course there hasn't. I mean being so much economically poorer and on the brink of nuclear war is so much better. Who knows where we would be now if Trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election had succeeded, but I am damn sure we would be even worse than the awful situation we are in. The US economy would still be in a mess, because the pandemic has worldwide implications.The divisions in the USA caused by a successful attack on democracy would only make that worse. Putin would have taken advantage of Trump's lack of commitment to Nato, so may have gone in harder and earlier. Who knows, but go in he still would. Putin might already have been in control of Ukraine and eyeing up his next target assuming Nato would stand aside without US backing. Thus making nuclear war more, not less, likely. Putin cultivating Trump, and assisting him into the WH, wasn't done out of brotherly love. He was used, just as Trump uses those who believe in him.
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| eaglesdare 09 Mar 22 3.01pm |
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Originally posted by Wisbech Eagle
Who knows where we would be now if Trump's attempt to overturn the 2020 election had succeeded, but I am damn sure we would be even worse than the awful situation we are in. The US economy would still be in a mess, because the pandemic has worldwide implications.The divisions in the USA caused by a successful attack on democracy would only make that worse. Putin would have taken advantage of Trump's lack of commitment to Nato, so may have gone in harder and earlier. Who knows, but go in he still would. Putin might already have been in control of Ukraine and eyeing up his next target assuming Nato would stand aside without US backing. Thus making nuclear war more, not less, likely. Putin cultivating Trump, and assisting him into the WH, wasn't done out of brotherly love. He was used, just as Trump uses those who believe in him. Trump seen through the bulls*** of covid! The american economy would be booming right now and if america is then the rest of the world also does! Under trump we would not have had the ridiculous situation of afganistan that made the west look weak! Under trump, Putin would not have dreamt of invading ukraine!
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Mar 22 3.05pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
Trump seen through the bulls*** of covid! The american economy would be booming right now and if america is then the rest of the world also does! Under trump we would not have had the ridiculous situation of afganistan that made the west look weak! Under trump, Putin would not have dreamt of invading ukraine! Hardly anyone would agree with you, Trump's double act with Putin has returned possibly to ruin him running again. Putin 'a genius move' - Trump.
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| eaglesdare 09 Mar 22 3.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Hardly anyone would agree with you, Trump's double act with Putin has returned possibly to ruin him running again. Putin 'a genius move' - Trump. Thats okay i dont mind mind if people have a different opinion to me!
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| Mapletree Croydon 09 Mar 22 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by eaglesdare
And sure whats the worst russia will do if they take over ukraine? Stop religious services, coerce people into taking experimental drugs, keep people under house arrest? have to show your papers everywhere you go? ........Oh wait that was Europe and rest of the west last two years! How old are you? You clearly have no idea. The Ukrainians, however, do remember. And they have watched a Soviet style leadership in Donbas over the past 8 years. It is really not a life you would choose to live, unless your only other choice was North Korea or Yemen.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 09 Mar 22 3.35pm |
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I know Nato is tip-toeing around getting directly involved. But I wonder at what point the war will escalate ? Suppose the Ukrainians hold the Russian advance or even push it back ? would Russia just retreat ? or would it use more weaponry, and possibly illegal stuff ?
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| steeleye20 Croydon 09 Mar 22 3.40pm |
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