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Willo South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Apr 13 1.18pm
Quote Kermit8 at 18 Apr 2013 11.30am So basically you are saying that the hardship for millions of Britons and their families and leaving their communities to rot were necessary casualties of an economic war. Collateral damage. Must have made them a bit sick when hearing about how the already wealthy were getting wealthier due to Thatcher's other economic policies whilst they were fumbling round the back of the sofa trying to find some loose change to buy some food, don't you think? Perhaps the greatest canard about the Thatcher era is that she was merely the champion of the wealthy.This is total balderdash. Mrs Thatcher did not win THREE elections by appealling just to the rich. The fact remains that by the end of the 70s, millions of people - Old,young, black, white, Tory and Labour were sick of the spectre of national decline, tired of the endless routine of industrial strikes etc etc etc and something HAD to be done to arrest such a decline. Edited by Willo (18 Apr 2013 1.20pm)
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South coast - west of Brighton. 18 Apr 13 1.18pm

Quote Kermit8 at 18 Apr 2013 11.30am

So basically you are saying that the hardship for millions of Britons and their families and leaving their communities to rot were necessary casualties of an economic war. Collateral damage.

Must have made them a bit sick when hearing about how the already wealthy were getting wealthier due to Thatcher's other economic policies whilst they were fumbling round the back of the sofa trying to find some loose change to buy some food, don't you think?

Perhaps the greatest canard about the Thatcher era is that she was merely the champion of the wealthy.This is total balderdash.
Mrs Thatcher did not win THREE elections by appealling just to the rich.

The fact remains that by the end of the 70s, millions of people - Old,young, black, white, Tory and Labour were sick of the spectre of national decline, tired of the endless routine of industrial strikes etc etc etc and something HAD to be done to arrest such a decline.

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Moose In the sewer pipe... 18 Apr 13 3.52pm
Quote The Sash at 18 Apr 2013 12.57pm I think this thread also confirms what a tedious old queen Morrisey has now turned into Agreed. We now have it confirmed why Morrisey used to dance like he was made of jelly. Only someone made of jelly could get so far up their own arse. Edited by Moose (18 Apr 2013 3.53pm) Goodness is what you do. Not who you pray to.
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Quote The Sash at 18 Apr 2013 12.57pm

I think this thread also confirms what a tedious old queen Morrisey has now turned into

Agreed. We now have it confirmed why Morrisey used to dance like he was made of jelly. Only someone made of jelly could get so far up their own arse.

Edited by Moose (18 Apr 2013 3.53pm)

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chris123 hove actually 18 Apr 13 4.06pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? I can't think of another industry, with similar concentration risk, where so many in the work force seem to think they are only able to do one thing. You'd have thought the penny would drop that they might have to move into another line of work, it's almost Luddite in mentality.
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Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity?

I can't think of another industry, with similar concentration risk, where so many in the work force seem to think they are only able to do one thing. You'd have thought the penny would drop that they might have to move into another line of work, it's almost Luddite in mentality.

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Penge Eagle Beckenham 18 Apr 13 4.35pm
Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland.
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties.

The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher.

There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole.

We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland.

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Apr 13 4.39pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds! Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Apr 13 4.39pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole.

We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland.

Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds!

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Apr 13 5.01pm
Quote Moose at 18 Apr 2013 3.52pm Quote The Sash at 18 Apr 2013 12.57pm I think this thread also confirms what a tedious old queen Morrisey has now turned into Agreed. We now have it confirmed why Morrisey used to dance like he was made of jelly. Only someone made of jelly could get so far up their own arse. Edited by Moose (18 Apr 2013 3.53pm) As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Apr 13 5.01pm

Quote Moose at 18 Apr 2013 3.52pm

Quote The Sash at 18 Apr 2013 12.57pm

I think this thread also confirms what a tedious old queen Morrisey has now turned into

Agreed. We now have it confirmed why Morrisey used to dance like he was made of jelly. Only someone made of jelly could get so far up their own arse.

Edited by Moose (18 Apr 2013 3.53pm)

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The Sash Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Apr 13 5.02pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. The town of Crumlin is Wales was a thriving coal town - it is now has a thriving Pot Noodle mine... As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014
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Now residing in Epsom - How Posh 18 Apr 13 5.02pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole.

The town of Crumlin is Wales was a thriving coal town - it is now has a thriving Pot Noodle mine...

As far as the rules go, it's a website not a democracy - Hambo 3/6/2014

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 5.19pm
Not gold yet..? Will the death of the Thatch be wheeled out as an excuse for poor economic figures for this quarter? Edited by nickgusset (18 Apr 2013 5.24pm)
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Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 5.19pm

Not gold yet..?

Will the death of the Thatch be wheeled out as an excuse for poor economic figures for this quarter?

Edited by nickgusset (18 Apr 2013 5.24pm)

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Y Ddraig Goch In The Crowd 18 Apr 13 6.00pm
Quote susmik at 18 Apr 2013 4.39pm Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds! Two points Might have been difficult for some of the families at the time but no excuse for the younger generation. I came to london in '85 to work for a few years before heading back. 28 years later this is my home. Mate of mine moved lock, stock and family to Norwich in 84 for work in the print trade, still there now. You do what's necessary. Secondly, as others have said, if the unions and workers hadn't been so bloody minded and assumed that they were going to nobble PM number 4 the transition may have been a lot easier. the dignified don't even enter in the game
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Y Ddraig Goch

In The Crowd 18 Apr 13 6.00pm

Quote susmik at 18 Apr 2013 4.39pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole.

Most are still happy to be on the dole.......hence the government today are cutting benefits to make them go and look for a job instead of sat on their fat behinds!

Two points

Might have been difficult for some of the families at the time but no excuse for the younger generation. I came to london in '85 to work for a few years before heading back. 28 years later this is my home. Mate of mine moved lock, stock and family to Norwich in 84 for work in the print trade, still there now. You do what's necessary.

Secondly, as others have said, if the unions and workers hadn't been so bloody minded and assumed that they were going to nobble PM number 4 the transition may have been a lot easier.

the dignified don't even enter in the game

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Farawayeagle Sydney 18 Apr 13 6.06pm
Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am At what point in time will the mining communities stop complaining about the industry being killed off? It's been 30 years now. Will their inability to ever get a job be blamed on Thatcher for infinity? Maybe when decent jobs are available in those areas. The problem isn't just that mining was closed down under thatcher alone, its that the closures were whole sale and created areas of massive unemployment at a time when UK industry was dying off - Meaning that large parts of the UK had massively reduced employment opportunties. The impact of the decline of the Steel Industry and mining was evident when I was at uni in 1996, 25% of Sheffield was unemployed, any kind of real career job was almost impossble to come by. And on the estates further out of the city which had been built around industry the unemployment figure was higher. There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole. We know what happened. But I'm talking about now. Are you telling me in 30 years the families of these communities are still on the dole and it's still Thatcher's fault? It's funny how people can pass on hatred through generations - a bit like the bigotry in Northern Ireland. That's exactly the train of thought running through my head recently. Inherited hatred passed from parent to child. But the Thatcher hating Is second rate. It's only a couple of decades. In N.I. We can carry our loathing through generations. Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster Association An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon GKAS Member 54
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Sydney 18 Apr 13 6.06pm

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 4.35pm

Quote jamiemartin721 at 18 Apr 2013 11.27am

Quote Penge Eagle at 18 Apr 2013 10.16am

There simply was no jobs that were ecconomically viable for people, they were better off on the dole.

That's exactly the train of thought running through my head recently.
Inherited hatred passed from parent to child. But the Thatcher hating
Is second rate. It's only a couple of decades. In N.I. We can carry our loathing through generations.

Founder Of The Crystal Palace Roller Coaster
Association

An Affiliate Of The Never A Dull Moment Club

R.I.P. DJ Hardline -- Gone Way Too Soon

GKAS Member 54

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nickgusset Shizzlehurst 18 Apr 13 8.32pm
hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today? Attachment: 644591_164292003730351_617819734_n.jpg (41.38Kb)
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hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today?

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susmik PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Apr 13 8.45pm
Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 8.32pm hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today? I have been waiting for you to give us all the answer Nick !!! ??? Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.
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PLYMOUTH -But Made in Old Coulsdon... 18 Apr 13 8.45pm

Quote nickgusset at 18 Apr 2013 8.32pm

hmmm, how come the shard hasn't been finished in this image of the crowds at Maggies funeral in the Sun today?

I have been waiting for you to give us all the answer Nick !!! ???

Supported Palace for over 69 years since the age of 7 and have seen all the ups and downs and will probably see many more ups and downs before I go up to the big football club in the sky.

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