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Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Aug 2014 10.15pm
no you don't - there is very limited knowledge and almost no 'logic' in your argument - just the usual blinkered nonsense of a colonel blimp in denial.
As for moaning at me for being rude....Well, that's just hypocrisy.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Aug 14 10.31pm |
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Quote nickgusset at 17 Aug 2014 10.13pm
Israels response to the Hamas threat is over the top. That is not to say that Hamas don't pose a threat, but Israel to my mind are doing a great recruitment job for Hamas and other organisations who do not see Israel in a good light.
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SloveniaDave  Tirana, Albania 17 Aug 14 10.47pm |
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Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Aug 2014 10.29pm
Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Aug 2014 10.15pm
no you don't - there is very limited knowledge and almost no 'logic' in your argument - just the usual blinkered nonsense of a colonel blimp in denial.
As for moaning at me for being rude....Well, that's just hypocrisy.
You are a person of very limited knowledge, ability and experience and if you do have some intelligence, you keep it well hidden. The idea you could teach anyone over the age of 6 is quite scary (indeed teaching under 6's is also a worry).
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Kermit8  Hevon 17 Aug 14 10.53pm |
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Quote matt_himself at 17 Aug 2014 6.48am
Good old Hamas. Rejecting an extended truce which will cease the hostilities and deaths: When will the Palestinian people wise up and get rid of these arseholes who care not a jot for their own people and only of sustaining their own power? Probably because Hamas provide 80% of the welfare, education, food and security in the Palestine Authority. Before Hamas it was Fatah, and before that The PLO. Security equating to 'encouraging [sic]' Palestinians to face Israeli shells with their bare chests whilst being placed at hospitals, schools and other such buildings where, coincidentally, a s*** load of Hamas rockets are situated? Palestinians need to reject these c***s. They are killing these people.
Let's not forget that the human cost of blowing up schools, hospitals and other humanitarian relief centres is far greater if they are destroyed with US weapons that annihilate everything but the fillings in their teeth, than if they accept that massacring dozens is not a fair price to pay to destroy some largely ineffective rockets. There is NO justification for bombing these targets, just as there have never been any justification for targeting civilians. People only become human shields if you still go on and fire weapons at them. It is always a two-way process, and no matter how extreme Hamas' actions become, Israel will always be committing unspeakably depraved acts if they continue to fire. Edited by serial thriller (17 Aug 2014 7.45pm) Complete and utter bollocks. Israel is targeting where the rockets, being launched at their people, are coming from. Hamas is situating these rockets on built up areas and strategic sites, such as schools and hospitals. In order to stop the massacre, Hamas need to be deposed from power. However, you will never accept that Hamas do wrong because it is against your 'right on' programming, isn't it Serial Boredom?
I agree with you that Hamas is an obstacle to peace. However their rockets have killed 3 civilians since the fighting began, and to my mind this makes any justification on Israel's behalf about bombing hospitals, schools etc. in order to protect people f*cking laughable. They are to blame for their actions, and as much as they try and shift the blame, I hope it is Netanyahu and his government going to sleep every night with the cries of innocent Palestinian children ringing in their ears. As for the bit in bold, yes I do try and be 'right on' Matt, I much prefer it to being 'right off' the mark. I've long accepted my role in your mind as some sort of lefty-liberal cyborg intent on cosying up to terrorists, converting the nation in to peadophile vegans while sucking Karl Marx's posthumous member till it coughs up it's final centuries-old load, but actually, and this might come as a surprise to you, I'm really just a human being with a couple of views I agree upon with you and a few that I don't. I try to think about nice things when I get angry, drink some orange juice maybe, take a walk, and avoid unnecessary confrontation. I'll die one day and so will you, ending both of our pointless little cameos on this planet, neither any more right or wrong about anything than when we first plopped from our mother's uterus'. So basically what I'm saying is, instead of getting some warped self-satisfaction from unprovoked sly digs at those you categorise as opposing your perceptions of the world on here, why not have a sit down, put some chilled jazz on, maybe think about loved ones, before committing to post on a public forum eh?
Also, using loads of words to justify yourself doesn't make you right. Just saying.
Take a bow, Matthew.
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| Kermit8 Hevon 17 Aug 14 11.00pm |
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Quote serial thriller at 17 Aug 2014 8.51pm
I'm not unaware that it's been going on ad infinitum but this doesn't make it any more tolerable. In killing a non-threatening civilian you are taking life from somebody who posed no threat to you in order to prove a point to somebody else. It is a sick thing to do and should be avoided at all costs. It suggests a hierarchy of life and an arrogance of control that repeatedly doesn't deliver the ends it desires. Are Israel doing anything more than flaming the hostilities towards them in Palestine by murdering civilians, are they achieving a long lasting peace by blowing bits of family members in to the air which are lying dormant waiting for aid? Sure they may take out a few bombs in the process, but the bombs aren't the issue; it's the mentality that allows the Palestinians to vote in Hamas who will fight Israel by any means necessary, be it by arms, suicide bombings or something even worse, and that's the mentality which surges through Gaza every time Israel decide to target innocents.
Israel haven't been targeting civilians so the language of your posts is misplaced.....Listen how many civilians in Gaza have died?......What is it? Even according to the Hamas backed health ministry it's around about a thousand isn't it? Do you actually know the population of Gaza? It's one million eight hundred and sixteen thousand. If Israel were truly 'targeting' civilians mate, Gaza would be a river of blood stretching from end to end. Stop believing the hype.
If they are not targeting civilians they are doing a bloody bad job at it.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Aug 14 11.42pm |
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Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Aug 2014 10.47pm
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Quote SloveniaDave at 17 Aug 2014 10.15pm
no you don't - there is very limited knowledge and almost no 'logic' in your argument - just the usual blinkered nonsense of a colonel blimp in denial.
As for moaning at me for being rude....Well, that's just hypocrisy.
You are a person of very limited knowledge, ability and experience and if you do have some intelligence, you keep it well hidden. The idea you could teach anyone over the age of 6 is quite scary (indeed teaching under 6's is also a worry).
Errr.....That still means you're a hypocrite.....For someone who professes to recognise the presence or absence of intelligence you display poor credentials. As I told you once before bitter lemon, you make statements with no content backing them up......Particularly on this thread. Your loaded phrases do provide me with occasional amusement though....Though you drag it on for too long. The insults mind are getting rather stale now. What is it?....'Pompous, xenophobic little Englander'. Well, 'pompous'.......Yeah, I can be pompous....Mind you coming from you that's just more hypocrisy....You do a lot of that....Is it connected to your job perhaps? 'Xenophobic'.....Nope, that's probably just your poor understanding of my arguments. Provide the content to back up the statement. 'Little Englander'.....Well, that's just a repetition in meaning of xenophobic.....I guess your understanding of intelligence should have informed you of that before you typed it.....Guess not.
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| Stirlingsays 17 Aug 14 11.47pm |
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Aug 2014 11.00pm
You are losing the plot Stirling. Third incursion into Gaza in last nine years with around 6,000 civilian deaths including a helluva lot of children. Wounded must be at least three times that too. If they are not targeting civilians they are doing a bloody bad job at it.
Like I stated before, if Israel really wanted to kill civilians......They aren't being very effective at it....There are one million and eighty thousand Gazans. The reality is that they are targeting Hamas and that civilian deaths are an unavoidable result of how Hamas operate......If you attack them, most of the time you're also going to also kill innocents.....It's how they fuel the fire. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2014 11.49pm)
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| cornwalls palace Torpoint 18 Aug 14 12.52am |
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...the way some of you are arguing and getting annoyed with each other just shows me how if armed and able to see each other it would not be too difficult to imagine a trigger moving... and then escalating to a situation where bystanders get in the way.
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Quote Stirlingsays at 17 Aug 2014 11.47pm
Quote Kermit8 at 17 Aug 2014 11.00pm
You are losing the plot Stirling. Third incursion into Gaza in last nine years with around 6,000 civilian deaths including a helluva lot of children. Wounded must be at least three times that too. If they are not targeting civilians they are doing a bloody bad job at it.
Like I stated before, if Israel really wanted to kill civilians......They aren't being very effective at it....There are one million and eighty thousand Gazans. The reality is that they are targeting Hamas and that civilian deaths are an unavoidable result of how Hamas operate......If you attack them, most of the time you're also going to also kill innocents.....It's how they fuel the fire. Edited by Stirlingsays (17 Aug 2014 11.49pm) Don't forget there are no soldiers in Palestine. Everyone is a civilian. This distorts the numbers. See the BBC report: I am not taking sides, just pointing out that whatever one thinks, nothing is clear cut.
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Forest Hillbilly  in a hidey-hole 18 Aug 14 8.12am |
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Quote cornwalls palace at 18 Aug 2014 12.52am
...the way some of you are arguing and getting annoyed with each other just shows me how if armed and able to see each other it would not be too difficult to imagine a trigger moving... and then escalating to a situation where bystanders get in the way.
Edited by Forest Hillbilly (18 Aug 2014 8.12am)
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| Kermit8 Hevon 18 Aug 14 8.22am |
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If they have not been targeting civilians why then have they (IDF) been using cancer-inducing and shrapnel based weapons? And Edited by Kermit8 (18 Aug 2014 8.26am)
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| matt_himself Matataland 18 Aug 14 8.29am |
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Quote Kermit8 at 17 Aug 2014 10.53pm
Quote matt_himself at 17 Aug 2014 8.47pm
Quote serial thriller at 17 Aug 2014 8.42pm
Quote matt_himself at 17 Aug 2014 7.49pm
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Quote jamiemartin721 at 17 Aug 2014 7.27pm
Quote matt_himself at 17 Aug 2014 6.48am
Good old Hamas. Rejecting an extended truce which will cease the hostilities and deaths: When will the Palestinian people wise up and get rid of these arseholes who care not a jot for their own people and only of sustaining their own power? Probably because Hamas provide 80% of the welfare, education, food and security in the Palestine Authority. Before Hamas it was Fatah, and before that The PLO. Security equating to 'encouraging [sic]' Palestinians to face Israeli shells with their bare chests whilst being placed at hospitals, schools and other such buildings where, coincidentally, a s*** load of Hamas rockets are situated? Palestinians need to reject these c***s. They are killing these people.
Let's not forget that the human cost of blowing up schools, hospitals and other humanitarian relief centres is far greater if they are destroyed with US weapons that annihilate everything but the fillings in their teeth, than if they accept that massacring dozens is not a fair price to pay to destroy some largely ineffective rockets. There is NO justification for bombing these targets, just as there have never been any justification for targeting civilians. People only become human shields if you still go on and fire weapons at them. It is always a two-way process, and no matter how extreme Hamas' actions become, Israel will always be committing unspeakably depraved acts if they continue to fire. Edited by serial thriller (17 Aug 2014 7.45pm) Complete and utter bollocks. Israel is targeting where the rockets, being launched at their people, are coming from. Hamas is situating these rockets on built up areas and strategic sites, such as schools and hospitals. In order to stop the massacre, Hamas need to be deposed from power. However, you will never accept that Hamas do wrong because it is against your 'right on' programming, isn't it Serial Boredom?
I agree with you that Hamas is an obstacle to peace. However their rockets have killed 3 civilians since the fighting began, and to my mind this makes any justification on Israel's behalf about bombing hospitals, schools etc. in order to protect people f*cking laughable. They are to blame for their actions, and as much as they try and shift the blame, I hope it is Netanyahu and his government going to sleep every night with the cries of innocent Palestinian children ringing in their ears. As for the bit in bold, yes I do try and be 'right on' Matt, I much prefer it to being 'right off' the mark. I've long accepted my role in your mind as some sort of lefty-liberal cyborg intent on cosying up to terrorists, converting the nation in to peadophile vegans while sucking Karl Marx's posthumous member till it coughs up it's final centuries-old load, but actually, and this might come as a surprise to you, I'm really just a human being with a couple of views I agree upon with you and a few that I don't. I try to think about nice things when I get angry, drink some orange juice maybe, take a walk, and avoid unnecessary confrontation. I'll die one day and so will you, ending both of our pointless little cameos on this planet, neither any more right or wrong about anything than when we first plopped from our mother's uterus'. So basically what I'm saying is, instead of getting some warped self-satisfaction from unprovoked sly digs at those you categorise as opposing your perceptions of the world on here, why not have a sit down, put some chilled jazz on, maybe think about loved ones, before committing to post on a public forum eh?
Also, using loads of words to justify yourself doesn't make you right. Just saying.
Take a bow, Matthew. Is it the fault of 'evangelicals' and 'right wing extremists' that those poor people ended up in a container in Tilbury Docks, so you can claim the moral high ground and unleash a misguided and misinformed diatribe at people who you despise but don't quite understand the reasons why you despise them?
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