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chateauferret  14 Dec 18 12.10pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
She falls on her sword and then what happens? A new leader will be chosen who won't get any better deal from the EU than Mrs May has done so we're back to "no deal" She will swap places with Hodgson. Meanwhile we are told we won't need a visa to travel to the EU but we will need something called an ETIAS which involves payment, checks to see that you aren't this that or the other and an application process. Could someone explain how that isn't the same thing as a visa FFS?
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 Badger11  Beckenham 14 Dec 18 1.25pm |
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Originally posted by Midlands Eagle
She falls on her sword and then what happens? A new leader will be chosen who won't get any better deal from the EU than Mrs May has done so we're back to "no deal" You may well be correct. However Mrs May has lost all credibility with the EU she is like the wife who threatens to leave her husband but never does so after a while you ignore her. If we get a new leader it depends on who they are. It won't be JRM but if someone like him said to the EU we are leaving I think they would believe him, that might just tips the scales into them offering a better deal and if they didn't well we would be leaving. None of the options I outlined are particularly palatable so it is now the best of a bad bunch.
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| Stuk Top half 14 Dec 18 1.46pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
She will swap places with Hodgson. Meanwhile we are told we won't need a visa to travel to the EU but we will need something called an ETIAS which involves payment, checks to see that you aren't this that or the other and an application process. Could someone explain how that isn't the same thing as a visa FFS? This is being introduced in a few years time for all countries who get visa free travel to the EU, it's nothing to do with leaving. And it's a belated retaliation to the USA introducing ESTAs. It's a pure revenue raiser, like APD is.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Dec 18 1.58pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
This is being introduced in a few years time for all countries who get visa free travel to the EU, it's nothing to do with leaving. And it's a belated retaliation to the USA introducing ESTAs. It's a pure revenue raiser, like APD is. Really I think it applies in the case of no deal Brexit, so 29th March 2019. Or as soon a freedom of movement ends. It has everything to do with leaving, being in the EU it just doesn't apply to us.
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| Stuk Top half 14 Dec 18 2.15pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
Really I think it applies in the case of no deal Brexit, so 29th March 2019. Or as soon a freedom of movement ends. It has everything to do with leaving, being in the EU it just doesn't apply to us. Nothing to do with no deal and it isn't scheduled to start until 2021.
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Dec 18 2.17pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
Nothing to do with no deal and it isn't scheduled to start until 2021. Really ok S, but if we are in the EU it doesn't apply to us.
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| Badger11 Beckenham 14 Dec 18 2.22pm |
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Originally posted by chateauferret
She will swap places with Hodgson. Meanwhile we are told we won't need a visa to travel to the EU but we will need something called an ETIAS which involves payment, checks to see that you aren't this that or the other and an application process. Could someone explain how that isn't the same thing as a visa FFS? As Stuk says its a revenue earner like ESTA. The difference between that and a visa is that you can still be turned away at the border even though you have a valid ESTA. All you have really done is provide your personal details in a single format to a single system. If they need to check you out is is easier to do this way then contacting airlines for data. I assume they do some basic checks like are you on a watch list but last time I applied for an ESTA it was granted in minutes so they could not have done a thorough check. I have no problem with the EU doing this as long as we reciprocate to their citizens. And if this is the price we have to pay to control our own country well I can live with that. Edited by Badger11 (14 Dec 2018 2.23pm)
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| Stuk Top half 14 Dec 18 2.27pm |
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We won't be, so it will.
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| Stuk Top half 14 Dec 18 2.33pm |
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Originally posted by Badger11
As Stuk says its a revenue earner like ESTA. The difference between that and a visa is that you can still be turned away at the border even though you have a valid ESTA. All you have really done is provide your personal details in a single format to a single system. If they need to check you out is is easier to do this way then contacting airlines for data. I assume they do some basic checks like are you on a watch list but last time I applied for an ESTA it was granted in minutes so they could not have done a thorough check. I have no problem with the EU doing this as long as we reciprocate to their citizens. And if this is the price we have to pay to control our own country well I can live with that. Edited by Badger11 (14 Dec 2018 2.23pm) It's basically the same as the little green form you used to fill out, for free, on the plane where you self certify that you aren't a nutter, terrorist, criminal, spy, on drugs etc. Nothing actually gets checked and this will be no different. As you say, expect one to apply in reverse in the near future.
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croydon proud  Any european country i fancy! 14 Dec 18 2.49pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It's basically the same as the little green form you used to fill out, for free, on the plane where you self certify that you aren't a nutter, terrorist, criminal, spy, on drugs etc. Nothing actually gets checked and this will be no different. As you say, expect one to apply in reverse in the near future. Except it will probably cost £10-£15 to fill it in!
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| steeleye20 Croydon 14 Dec 18 3.18pm |
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Originally posted by Stuk
It's basically the same as the little green form you used to fill out, for free, on the plane where you self certify that you aren't a nutter, terrorist, criminal, spy, on drugs etc. Nothing actually gets checked and this will be no different. As you say, expect one to apply in reverse in the near future. But you are a 'nutter' as a brexiteer so you won't get it anyway !!!! Oink Oink
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| Stuk Top half 14 Dec 18 3.35pm |
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Originally posted by steeleye20
But you are a 'nutter' as a brexiteer so you won't get it anyway !!!! Oink Oink
For a OAP you really need to grow up.
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