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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 3.15pm
Originally posted by Tawny If IQ is what is important to you why would you IQ test non European immigrants but not European ones? It's almost as if individuals less genetically close to you will need to go the extra mile to prove their worth. Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.49pm) IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages. We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is in increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in...You end up increasing competition for the most vulnerable in society here...our own lower IQ, unlucky/disadvantaged or just lower skilled workers......that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems. Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.40pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 3.15pm

Originally posted by Tawny

If IQ is what is important to you why would you IQ test non European immigrants but not European ones? It's almost as if individuals less genetically close to you will need to go the extra mile to prove their worth.

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 2.49pm)

IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages.

We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is in increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in...You end up increasing competition for the most vulnerable in society here...our own lower IQ, unlucky/disadvantaged or just lower skilled workers......that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems.

Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.40pm)

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.22pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages. We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in.....that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems. Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.15pm) So now you've segued into saying that you believe a preferable way of dealing with a talented black footballer being called a black c*nt by some drunken dickhead is by not letting any black people in the country to begin with? Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm)
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.22pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages.

We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in.....that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems.

Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.15pm)

So now you've segued into saying that you believe a preferable way of dealing with a talented black footballer being called a black c*nt by some drunken dickhead is by not letting any black people in the country to begin with?

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm)

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dannyboy1978 12 Dec 18 3.36pm
Originally posted by Tawny So now you've segued into saying that you believe a preferable way of dealing with a talented black footballer being called a black c*nt by some drunken dickhead is by not letting any black people in the country to begin with? Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm) 1. its not proved. [Link] 2. no reference anywhere to him being drunken. seems you make judgments about people very easily before even the police do. So with you lack of judgment maybe you should listen to people who can back up there evidence with facts
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12 Dec 18 3.36pm

Originally posted by Tawny

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm)

1. its not proved. [Link]

2. no reference anywhere to him being drunken.

seems you make judgments about people very easily before even the police do.

So with you lack of judgment maybe you should listen to people who can back up there evidence with facts

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 3.38pm
Originally posted by Tawny So now you've segued into saying that you believe a preferable way of dealing with a talented black footballer being called a black c*nt by some drunken dickhead is by not letting any black people in the country to begin with? Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm) No, this is your connection. If someone already here is being harassed then poor behaviour is poor behaviour. Immigration policy is immigration policy.....I don't know the IQ of Sterling's parents, apparently his mother has a degree, so perhaps she would have got in. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.38pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 3.38pm

Originally posted by Tawny

Edited by Tawny (12 Dec 2018 3.26pm)

No, this is your connection. If someone already here is being harassed then poor behaviour is poor behaviour.

Immigration policy is immigration policy.....I don't know the IQ of Sterling's parents, apparently his mother has a degree, so perhaps she would have got in.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.38pm)

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.39pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages. We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is in increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in...You end up increasing competition for the most vulnerable in society here...our own lower IQ or just lower skilled workers......that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems. Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.17pm) And if someone is of middle eastern heritage but born in France for instance? Would they be taking your test?
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.39pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages.

We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is in increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in...You end up increasing competition for the most vulnerable in society here...our own lower IQ or just lower skilled workers......that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems.

Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.17pm)

And if someone is of middle eastern heritage but born in France for instance? Would they be taking your test?

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 3.43pm
Originally posted by Tawny And if someone is of middle eastern heritage but born in France for instance? Would they be taking your test? It's a good question.....I suppose if you're not European but just culturally European it's a harder aspect.....Perhaps everybody should be tested.....If you're number capping that's probably possible. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 3.43pm

Originally posted by Tawny

And if someone is of middle eastern heritage but born in France for instance? Would they be taking your test?

It's a good question.....I suppose if you're not European but just culturally European it's a harder aspect.....Perhaps everybody should be tested.....If you're number capping that's probably possible.

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Tawny Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.49pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays It's a good question.....I suppose if you're not European but just culturally European it's a harder aspect.....Perhaps everybody should be tested.....If you're number capping that's probably possible. What you're suggesting is that it would be politically difficult. You know that if you were to state for instance that black people from France should be IQ tested before coming here and white people shouldn't, that you would be overstepping a line of decency that almost everyone adheres to and agrees with, however low a personal bar is set.
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.49pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

What you're suggesting is that it would be politically difficult. You know that if you were to state for instance that black people from France should be IQ tested before coming here and white people shouldn't, that you would be overstepping a line of decency that almost everyone adheres to and agrees with, however low a personal bar is set.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.52pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages. We could test everybody but one of the main issues with creating larger poverty classes is in increasing the number of lower IQ people coming in...You end up increasing competition for the most vulnerable in society here...our own lower IQ, unlucky/disadvantaged or just lower skilled workers......that combined with coming from a culture that is significantly different just creates much harder problems. Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.40pm) You know, it is amazing how the thick Africans somehow manage to do well when they get into the relatively level playing field of UK education. Who'da thought it. You choose to believe your theoretic IQ measures (not culturally, racially or in any other way biased) whilst the rest of us can live in the real world. [Link]
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 3.52pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

IQ averages from those countries is the reason.....I wouldn't test East Asians actually as they top world averages.

Rather having to deal with the inevitable grievance culture that springs from that....as we see on the 'Sterling' thread....we could just avoid it altogether....again, like the Japanese do.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 3.40pm)

You know, it is amazing how the thick Africans somehow manage to do well when they get into the relatively level playing field of UK education.

Who'da thought it.

You choose to believe your theoretic IQ measures (not culturally, racially or in any other way biased) whilst the rest of us can live in the real world.

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 3.57pm
Originally posted by Tawny What you're suggesting is that it would be politically difficult. You know that if you were to state for instance that black people from France should be IQ tested before coming here and white people shouldn't, that you would be overstepping a line of decency that almost everyone adheres to and agrees with, however low a personal bar is set. I understand that....there's truth in that....However, importing lower IQ people into countries degrades them. None of my ideas would be implemented of course, but if I were actually in charge of designing policy in this area with a realistic chance of enacting it....I would probably end up testing everybody. Essentially I'd look to help countries with problems without importing their problems into my own......but that concept was thrown out as some kind of 'evil' a long time ago. I think they got it seriously wrong following good intentions...but hey ho....Nothing can be done about it now. 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 3.57pm

Originally posted by Tawny

I understand that....there's truth in that....However, importing lower IQ people into countries degrades them.

None of my ideas would be implemented of course, but if I were actually in charge of designing policy in this area with a realistic chance of enacting it....I would probably end up testing everybody.

Essentially I'd look to help countries with problems without importing their problems into my own......but that concept was thrown out as some kind of 'evil' a long time ago.

I think they got it seriously wrong following good intentions...but hey ho....Nothing can be done about it now.

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Stirlingsays 12 Dec 18 4.01pm
Originally posted by Mapletree You know, it is amazing how the thick Africans somehow manage to do well when they get into the relatively level playing field of UK education. Who'da thought it. You choose to believe your theoretic IQ measures (not culturally, racially or in any other way biased) whilst the rest of us can live in the real world. [Link] If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it. But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known. And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm) 'Who are you and how did you get in here? I'm a locksmith. And, I'm a locksmith.' (Leslie Nielsen)
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12 Dec 18 4.01pm

Originally posted by Mapletree

You know, it is amazing how the thick Africans somehow manage to do well when they get into the relatively level playing field of UK education.

Who'da thought it.

You choose to believe your theoretic IQ measures (not culturally, racially or in any other way biased) whilst the rest of us can live in the real world.

[Link]

If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it.

But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known.

And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm)

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SW19 CPFC Addiscombe West 12 Dec 18 4.15pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it. But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known. And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm) I'd agree that being more selective about who comes into the country is a good thing, providing it is done simply on economic worth/potential eg. having a degree, or a specialism in an area that is under subscribed. However I'd be doing that purely on merit, not on race, nationality etc. as I cannot see the need to do so, especially as if such a qualification was ever brought in it would drastically reduce the amount of immigration anyway therefore vastly reducing any secondary cultural impact. If you're suggesting that genetics are almost solely responsible for intelligence, ie. the heritability argument, it is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth to suggest that this theory has scientific consensus. Heritability as a sole or main factor for the explanation of human traits was widely discredited 50 years ago. Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.
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Addiscombe West 12 Dec 18 4.15pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it.

But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known.

And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm)

I'd agree that being more selective about who comes into the country is a good thing, providing it is done simply on economic worth/potential eg. having a degree, or a specialism in an area that is under subscribed.

However I'd be doing that purely on merit, not on race, nationality etc. as I cannot see the need to do so, especially as if such a qualification was ever brought in it would drastically reduce the amount of immigration anyway therefore vastly reducing any secondary cultural impact.

If you're suggesting that genetics are almost solely responsible for intelligence, ie. the heritability argument, it is a blatant misrepresentation of the truth to suggest that this theory has scientific consensus.

Heritability as a sole or main factor for the explanation of human traits was widely discredited 50 years ago.

Did you know? 98.0000001% of people are morons.

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Mapletree Croydon 12 Dec 18 4.34pm
Originally posted by Stirlingsays If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it. But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known. And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again. Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm) I take it you didn't read, or discounted as too scientific, the link then. The truth is out there.
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Croydon 12 Dec 18 4.34pm

Originally posted by Stirlingsays

If that were actually true Maple, that it was all cultural and about access..... there would be few happier people than myself about it.

But that's a lie and you are pushing it here..... what I believe isn't theoretic at all and the evidence for it is widely known.

And oh dear....you're doing the 'IQ tests are biased' BS again.

Edited by Stirlingsays (12 Dec 2018 4.02pm)

I take it you didn't read, or discounted as too scientific, the link then.

The truth is out there.

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